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September 30, 2009 04:39 PM UTC
32 Comments
Who owns these payday lender companies. I mean, the payday lending industry seems organized enough that there should be someone identifiable on the other end of this who is making money. I’m just always curious about those who make fistfuls of money preying on poor people. And the payday lender is basically legalized loansharking.
Something tells me we’re going to see a noticeable drop-off in spam.
Cue payday loan sock puppets in 3… 2… 1…
Please let us know if you see one.
Last time there was a diary about this, we had a sock puppet called 1commonsense trying to tell us how payday loans are greatest.
Maybe they got the message.
maybe the spam puppets had to go renew their loans so were too busy to post.
I just ran into one of the payday spammers in Adam’s diary and then saw this on the front page.
Way to go, Pols.
with a site that transmits bits by the barrel?
come on board on this issue!
That was always my biggest problem with Sen. Veiga…her protection of these scum was inconsistent with her other positions. They must have richly rewarded her…
The credit industry drives bankruptcies with usurious rates. If individuals do it they call it racketeering.
n/t
This is a litmus test issue for every candidate and elected official.
Preying on the weakest in society, trapping them in the indentured servitude of permanent debt, is not something any politician should condone.
What the hell happened with Veiga though? I remember this very well, most disheartening.
sometimes a pay day loan may be the lesser of the evils facing a hard-pressed consumer. With banks charging $40 or more for an overdraft, a consumer running short has few options, none of them happy.
The proposed law wouldn’t outlaw payday loan firms, it would just regulate them to something vaguely resembling sane loan rates.
I moved out here from South Carolina this summer and if you’d like a case study in the tremendous influence exerted by these blood suckers over our elected representatives, look no further than the last session of South Carolina’s legislature.
These guys actually made a bill that was good for them in that it protected their interests look like reform!
http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLI…
http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLI…
Jahn voted with the payday lenders both on the floor and in committee on HB08-1310.
No Democrat that supports payday lenders should be returned to office.
She is running for Senate against a solid Democrat, Dave Ruchman (who lost to Sue Shafer by 29 votes in the house primary last year).
Payday lending is not a close call.
Interesting piece of news on Jahn. I’m glad to know that. Thanks for that info.
I’m curious whether the Democrats who endorsed Jahn approve of her payday lendor positions.
and her votes on the subject.
the Speaker of the House who served during these bills (AR) is likely aware of how his Speaker Pro Tem (Jahn) voted on these issues…just a long shot though…
Very good point. Just to be fair, I attempted to offer up benefit of the doubt but I think you just nailed it.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/cli…
I don’t know how to fix. But if you go to the legislature website and look up the 2008 session you can find the committee vote and the 3rd reading vote on the HB08-1310 Groff/Ferandino Payday lending reform bill.
So I have looked up legislative records on this as I am also very curious about this…
Seems that Cheri Jahn voted FOR 2 payday lending bills:
HB 07-1261 and HB 08-1126
She did vote no on HB 08-1310 but so did DEMS Debbie Benefield, Jeanne Labuda, Buffie MacFadyen, Wes McKinley, Joe Rice, Jim Reisberg, and Rafael Gallegos.
Could this mean that there might have been something with that bill that was a problem?? Seems like there must be more to this story if so many D’s jumped ship…
2 points just read all the bills
1.HB08-1310’s sponsors Ferrandino, Pommer, Carroll T., Butcher, Solano, Kerr A., McGihon, Groff, Tapia, and Morse. Are you implying they missed something bad for consumers that Rep. Jahn caught?
2. HB07-1261 and HB08-1126 both dealt with a single issue. Whether payday lenders are required to tell people they can have a payment plan when they roll over a loan. Not much help, in fact it might have been supported by the industry to forestall real reform. I don’t know, I don’t follow the issue closely.
In response to your 2 points:
1) I am not sure about what in the bill was the reason for the vote, but I also read them and see that the limits and percentages the bill would have imposed seem pretty arbitrary. I suppose it is all about balance. It’s sad but true that payday lenders are sometimes the only resort for some people. I can only guess that Rep. Jahn and the other D’s who voted no did so because they thought the bill went too far. I am an advocate for reigning in payday and other lenders’ bad habits but I don’t want them to completely go out of business either…
2) I think the main way you help consumers in a free society is to give them as much open and honest info as possible and let them choose from there. In my opinion, bills to open up the process and require notification to consumers on an array of lending practices is a BIG help to many!
As to “arbitrariness.” The law is full of them, fines, the minimum wage, Workers comp payments, mandatory jail sentences, statutes of limitations, caps on damages. Do you oppose these things as well?
Do you know who payday lenders pray on?
They are the most vulnerable people in society, we shouldn’t allow people to “freely” enslave themselves.
I would just hope that these arbitrary numbers have a little research behind them. And yes, I do think some of our mandatory jail sentencing laws are asinine as is the way we often calculate how/when/how much to rise minimum wage.
I do know that Payday lenders are definitely in it for the profit and many people have suffered because of bad loans. I suppose I see it like I see the mortgage crisis–yes, the banks share a lot of the blame and should be more regulated (as should payday lenders) but the consumer needs to take responsibility for some of the blame as well.
In April 2009, Harper’s Magazine had a story about payday lending:
Usury country: welcome to the birthplace of payday lending.
Just because this option might be “better than nothing” for some, doesn’t mean that it’s good for anything but transferring money from poor to rich.
That explains it . . . we like gambling and slot machines in Colorado, too.
These morons need a dose of digital vigilantism.
..y’all don’t have to lose your shit and get crazy. I’ll stop.
Spamming is something nasty, that’s for sure. I’ve seen good websites that were ruined by links to ugg boots and all sort of funky things. I don’t know who thought about doing this thing, but I can say for sure that I’ve also encountered some serious search engine optimization services New York has to provide, that do a good job in this industry.