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December 20, 2009 06:07 PM UTC

Norton's "Abolish Dept. of Education" Call Ridiculed, Campaign Won't Comment

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  • by: Colorado Pols

We knew when we first saw it that Senate candidate Jane Norton’s recent call at a “Tea Party” gathering to abolish the federal Department of Education was going to go over badly with the well-adjusted majority–and today, the Denver Post’s Lynn Bartels reports:

Democrats last week pounced on a report that Republican U.S. Senate candidate Jane Norton wants to abolish the U.S. Department of Education as part of her push to reduce the size of government.

They accused her of embracing a “far-right Tea Party agenda” and pandering to a small group of voters.

Even a leading political consultant questioned why Norton would go after such a “dated target” when President Barack Obama has given the GOP plenty of ammunition…

Norton’s campaign manager, Norm Cummings, declined Thursday to comment on her remarks or the reaction to them.

“We’re going to have more to say about this and other issues related to budgetary restraints and out-of-control spending after the first of the year,” Cummings said.

“It’s a holiday. Nobody cares.”

But clearly Democrats do…

And there’s a very simple reason why they care: Norton’s position, once it makes its way out of “Tea Party” circles and into general circulation, comes across as extreme and anachronistic. It alienates far more general election support than it attracts. It doesn’t matter if she pads it with slogans like “cutting waste,” or assures that federal funds would continue to flow to schools under her plan (would they?)–“abolish the Department of Education” is way too easy to portray as a radical, ideological, simple-minded attack on the one part of government even many Republicans value.

Political consultant Eric Sondermann was puzzled why Norton would go after the Department of Education when Republicans long ago abandoned the idea.

“If the motive is to secure a few nice mentions on Tea Party blogs, it’s a fool’s errand,” Sondermann said.

“Moreover, Obama’s Department of Education is actually a voice of reform, a first for a Democratic administration. That’s something reform- minded Republicans ought to encourage along with all Americans who care about the deeply troubled state of our public schools.”

Weld County District Attorney Ken Buck, who also is running for the GOP nomination for Senate, does not support dismantling the department, his campaign said. The other GOP contender, former state lawmaker Tom Wiens, could not be reached for comment.

Bottom line: we don’t think Norton intended for this to be heard beyond the “Tea Party” audience she is courting. That strikes us as profoundly ignorant given today’s connected online environment–did she think that because this blogger is in Alamosa…people elsewhere wouldn’t see it? For us, it’s just more evidence that Norton is running her campaign from a 1990s Bill Owens-era playbook: the good old days when you could say anything you wanted to out in far-flung small market constituencies, and nobody ever compared notes.

Well, much like the GOP’s discredited pledge to get rid of the Department of Education–abandoned at latest by the time of No Child Left Behind, probably long before–those days are over.

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22 thoughts on “Norton’s “Abolish Dept. of Education” Call Ridiculed, Campaign Won’t Comment

  1. For us, it’s just more evidence that Norton is running her campaign from a 1990s Bill Owens-era playbook: the good old days when you could say anything you wanted to out in far-flung small market constituencies, and nobody ever compared notes.

    They have no idea how the web impacts campaigns. That’s why I thought Josh Penry was a much more credible candidate against Ritter – he knows how to campaign in this millenium.

    But hey, if they want to keep giving us Dems all statewide seats – I can live with that 🙂

    1. Even a leading political consultant questioned why Norton would go after such a “dated target” when President Barack Obama has given the GOP plenty of ammunition.

      Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1

      The Dems try to cast this as dated as if Ms. Bartels and tomorrow’s Pk-12 students should “move along, just move along, nothing to see here”.  

      The problem is the 30 year downfall of America’s public education system is tied to policies that among other things allowed Districts to abdicate core employer-employee and customer-provider responsibilities.  Sure parents are part of the problem, but the we’re in the 3rd-4th generation of macro management abdication.  Only calling out the data will drive us to take needed steps to correct this 1st class American failure.

      As reported by the DenverPost….

      DPS graduation rate higher, but only about half finish on time

      Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/sear

      Sure maybe 25% of DPS freshman will make it to “college”, but only 15 of 100 freshman make it to college without remedial education requirements.

      Just how the CEA-Ritter dismantling of the CSAP will cure these facts of failure are unclear.  

  2. Has the establishment of the Department of Education improved or harmed education in the US?

    My sense is that education has regressed in the past 30 years.

      1. While it might be true, it just as easily might not be true.  I’m just curious to see what others think–if educational quality in the US has been improved or harmed by the DoE.  My sense is that it has regressed on a qualitative basis, but that’s all it is–an overall sense not based on a serious study of whatever reliable data is available.

        Sorry to have given the impression that I think correlation equals causation–I can see how someone could read it that way.

        1. I’m quite confident that the kids who went to school the past 12 years got a better education than the kids who went to school from 1940- 1952, and 1960-1972

          Do you know what the 12th grade curriculum was in 1960?

          Math? Science? Access for everyone?

          1. There is no way to really measure it.  In some respects, education certainly has advanced.  But in others, it appears to me to have regressed–basic mathematical skills, basic writing conventions like capitalization, spelling, and punctuation appear to have been almost abandoned.  

            In terms of access to some sort of education, I’d agree we are far ahead of where we were in 1960 (just to pick a year).

    1. if you asked:  Has the establishment of the Department of Defense improved or harmed the “defense” of the US?

      You can make an argument either way, depending on the objectives you use to define “education” or “defense.”  

      As such, the issue is not the existence of the Department as such, but the objectives that Department administrators set, AND the tools that the Department is given to achieve those objectives (and here, human capital, political capital, and actual financial capital are all important).

      So long as the DoEd is viewed as a school marm whose job it is to nudge/punish lagging ‘students’ (i.e., states and districts) for failure to perform, it will fail in it’s task, just as such a teacher fails in the classroom.  Punishment is not “education.”

      And to complete the analogy, so long as the Department of Defense sees it’s job as “attacking” America’s potential threats, it will fail in it’s primary task of “defending” the country.

      Thus, calling for the elimination of DoEd (or DoD, for that matter) because the goals and objectives are misguided, reflects a very uneducated view of the problem.

      1. First, argument by analogy is invalid.  We’re talking about the Dept. of Education–let’s stay on point.    Education has traditionally been a state function while defense has always been (under the Constititution) a national function.

        Second, let’s discuss the question of whether education in the U.S. has improved as a result of the establishment (really, moving it out from HEW) of a separate Dept. of Education.  From what I can see, the answer is partly yes and partly no.  From a qualitative point of view, my anecdotal experience is that education has regressed; but from a quantitative point of view it has improved–meaning more kids have access to K-12.  I think the problem is that too much of schools’ budgets have to go to administration to satisfy the enormous range of federal requirements.  And I’m not sure how that can be practically remedied.  

        1. You’re correct that analogy is an invalid logical argument, but in politics we deal with enthymemes (arguments about opinions), not syllogisms (arguments about facts), and so analogy remains valid for what it evokes in the comparison (no less than Aristotle and Quintilian would agree).

          That out of the way, the point to be made is that in both cases the context has shifted the meaning of the words that define the departments.  Hence “partly yes, and partly no.”  Education as a didactic endeavor (the transfer of existing, static knowledge) has regressed only because what it takes to count as educated has advanced more rapidly than 20th century institutions can deliver.  As a result, the institutions have had to dumb down their own definitions of education in order to reach larger numbers willing to pay for less of a product (particularly a problem at the University level).  

          The logical conclusion here (and yes, at this point I would defend this as a syllogism) is that if the content to be delivered has out-paced the delivery system, then it’s time to rethink the strategy of delivery, rather than the objective. Education must cease being a consumer relationship in which the student is punished for failure to consume, and begin to be a political relationship in which the student is validated for adding to the community.  People want to call this “leftist” indoctrination, but the simple fact the more you make this about what must be “given,” the more money will have to go to those who ad-minister.  (Sorry, more analogies between the Greek and Latin.)

          Finally, I would opine that the same is true of defense.  If EVERYTHING is a threat that must be attacked, and we lack the means to attack everything, than defense can no longer be sustained by offense.

          Our objectives should be constant.  The strategies to achieve them will have to change to accommodate new realities.

  3. Before a free-standing DOE, we had Health, Education and Welfare.  Many people argued education had more clout as part of that colossus.  Pat Schroeder, no right-wing ideologue, voted against forming DOE in part for that reason.  Personally, I can cite many areas, like special education, where DOE mandates costs districts more than the feds give them.  Give me expanded student loans and grants and I’d probably be willing to abolish the rest of the department.  We could reform the grants and loans in a Bureau of Human Capital and stick it in with Labor, where it would seem to belong.  I’m not losing sleep over it, but but lean to the notion that, grants and loans aside, DOE does more harm than good.

      1. too few days.  I grew up on a farm and probably learned more on the back of a tractor, which I started driving at 10, than I would have learned in summer school.  But we’re no longer an agrarian society.  A 10 month school year K-9 would probably help  education a lot, as well as easing child care in an age of working moms.  We could leave 10-11-12 on a nine month system to allow for summer jobs, which do a lot of help kids grow up.   of course, it means we’d have to pay teachers more, so the Right-wingers would never buy into it.   But no other industrial nation clings to our agrarian concept of letting the kids go in May so they can bring in the harvest, as far as I know.  There is ultimately no substitute for longer school days and more of them.  As Lenin said, “Quantity has a quality all its own.”

        1. Or one of the other girls?

          Cause I know you weren’t quoting John and no way you ‘re gonna quote Vladimir and try and sell the deal here.

          I agree with you. ANd I also believe that while access should be universal K-7 or8, after that there should Baccalaureate track and vocational track.

          ANd the Baccalaureate bound should mostly get there by 10th grade. So we pay more for the longer years and days, but less total years.

        2. They’ve done studies and found the poorest students regress over summer. As income level increases it moves from a negative, to even, to increasing.

          What’s equally interesting is kids from upper middle class professional homes and above basically learn at close to the same rate over the summer as they do in K-12. In other words, for very well off families, school makes no difference.

          1. That’s one interpretation.

            My interpretation is that parents in middle to upper class families take steps to ensure that they’re children don’t regress.

            After watching my son go from the front of the class to the back of the class over the summer one year (5th to 6th grade), I looked at the 5th grade curriculum and created worksheets for him to do over the summer (5/week). It was all practice/review of material he already had learned, nothing new. 15 minutes per day is really all it takes to retain that knowledge.

            I also know of lots of families in our neighborhood (same neighborhood as David) who hire tutors in the summer for their kids.  

            But all that aside, I’d prefer to see kids in a schedule with 10 weeks on, 3 weeks off, over the course of the year. I think some downtime is a good thing, just not so much that you start to lose that learnin’.

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