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August 31, 2018 07:11 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

  • 34 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.”

–Kurt Vonnegut

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34 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

    1. A super-majority of Americans now agree with you, V! Your stink campaign is working! 

      Poll: 60 percent disapprove of Trump, while clear majorities back Mueller and Sessions

      President Trump’s disapproval rating has hit a high point of 60 percent, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that also finds that clear majorities of Americans support the special counsel’s Russia investigation and say the president should not fire Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

      Nearly half of Americans, 49 percent, say Congress should begin impeachment proceedings that could lead to Trump being removed from office, while 46 percent say Congress should not.

       

        1. Agree. Also, single polls are fairly suspect and Trump has been here before. A poll conducted by Pew Research Center on Nov. 29-Dec. 4 of 2017 found 63% disapproval. At that time the 538 average had him at 56.1% disapproval. Today it is at 54.3%. 

          There are some even higher disapproval numbers in the 538 archive, but not from well known pollsters from what I can tell. Trump has hit 60% or higher disapproval from many well known polling organizations in the past year. Most of them came before Feb. of 2018.

      1. Until a majority of Republicans, Trumpians and Never-Trumpers alike, agree that he's going to kill their party's chances in every election until he's gone, and make that clear to them, this cowardly Congress won't jump.

  1. Oh noes!  Coal and nukes losing out to cheaper natural gas and renewables!

    An Ohio-based energy company said Wednesday it is closing its last coal-fired power plants in Ohio and Pennsylvania, a move decried by the coal industry and called inevitable by environmentalists.

    “Our decision to retire the fossil-fueled plants was every bit as difficult as the one we made five months ago to deactivate our nuclear assets,” said Donald Moul, FES Generation Companies president and chief nuclear officer, in a statement.

    He said coal and nuclear power plants are losing out to cheaper energy sources such as natural gas and renewables.

      1. With the usual mixed results.  Coal gone  good.  Replaced by wind, perfect.  Replaced by gas .better, only half the co2.  Nuke gone — bad thing, if replaced by gas, because much more co2 and methane.

        markets are great but sometimes need subsidies or surcharges to reflect total social costs.

        France gets 75 percent of electricity from nuclear and far exceeds u.s. In attaining green energy.

        Nukes are our only baseline zero pollution sources.   We need to protect them at least until wind and, maybe, your hemp storage capacitors are in place to shoulder all the load.

        1. I'm actually surprised that we still get 20% of our power from nukes.  Given the ongoing issue of where to store all the spent fuel and other waste, I'm not going to weep for their slow decline.

           

          Nuclear

          There are 61 nuclear electric plants in the United States. They generated 20 percentof the nation’s electricity last year.

          New nuclear plants are coming online following decades of pause after an initial push in the 1970s and 1980s driven by the first oil shock. Maryland joined South Carolina, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and New Hampshire in getting a plurality of its power from nuclear last year. Twenty states have no nuclear electricity generation at all.

          1. The anti-nukers go all out to destroy all responsible storage plans.   Then they say we can't use nuclear because there are no responsible storage plans.

            Pardon me if I don't accept this hypocrisy as responsible policy.   Antinuke is a religion on the left and, like all religion, is immune to reason.

                1. Well, Michael, you are a bit late to the Adam Smith party.  I guess you support coal because of its apparent cheapness?

                  face it, we sometimes need to channel market forces with taxes or subsidies to ensure public safety.  The need for safe, zero emission baseline electricity more than justifies the support for nuclear.  Granola technologies alone cannot and will not support a modern economy while controlling climate change.

                  1. Busted.  How did you know I love coal?  cheeky Two different issues, V.  In the case of coal the public has borne the negative externalities since the beginning of coal power generation.  In the case of nuclear, at least they are admitting a nuke brings with it significant contingent liabilities.  But not to worry, we're already well on our way to 100% – and we'll arrive there before another new nuclear plant is built.  You know what they say: what happens when you have a solar spill? Just another day of sunshine! 

                    As far as granola technologies both supporting a 21st-century economy and combatting climate change, Germany and Denmark are already proving its efficacy – as are many states and cities here. Not a single one of these plans contemplates a (new) nuclear plant being built.  

                    Lots of chatter on Thorium.  Maybe someday in the future that will play out. By then my hemp-lignin batteries will be so cheap they'll throw rocks at Thorium plans 🙂 

                    1. They are actually capacitors, to quibble.  And if you do reach your halcyon time, you need natural gas as a bridge fuel.  Doh!

                      Keep up the good work, wind is definitely part of the solution.  But I'll continue to use nuclear as a litmus test to separate those really concerned with combating climate change, like the French, and those who just see the issue as a hobby horse to ride against corporate A merica.

                       

                    2. Hemp will probably have its most profound effect in the battery/capacitor world with its ability to produce a very cheap graphene-like replacement. (with research now showing 98% of the performance of graphene at about 1/1,000th of the cost.  

                      If given the (false) choice of only coal or nuclear we'd both find ourselves in the same camp.  We'll be using natural gas for a long time; I hope we can limit converting this precious resource in thermal applications and keep some of our reserves in trust for the things a 22nd-century economy is going to need to be viable and competitive. 

                      I don't know the exact numbers, but the renewable energy installations of today are generally owned by 'the man', so there's not many opportunities to use the stick to stick it to the man…or use it for a pony!  

                      Let's make it public policy to embed the negative externalities into all resource planning and our problems will be solved.  We (COPUC) took one little step under Ritter by imputing a cost of carbon (I think it was $15/ton) and that little shift moved the outcomes dramatically from (old) status quo.  If coal had been held to a standard like this years ago they wouldn't have been competitive with even old solar or old wind.  They've gotten a pass for far too long, and we've all paid a great (health) price while waving the cheap, resurrected MAGA slogan on a flag. 

                      Have a great Labor Day Weekend! 

              1. Fort st. Vrain was a one off high te mperature gas cooled reactor, cookie.  It was the nation' s ssafest reactor, since it never worked!  As a whole, however, nuclear plants are safe and effective — and along with hydro the nation's most effective source of zero emission base load electricity.

                The waste disposal problem is purely political, with luddite and nimby forces blockingvuse of the safe and effective yucca mountain storage facility in nevada.  

                But jane fonda made a movie about it and to the true luddite, that settles it — nuclear power is a tool of satan.

                Anti-nukers make jerry falwell look open minded on this issue.  But there is no realistic hope of restricting climate change without expanding nuclear power, our chief zero emission source today and for the foreseeable future.

                1. Yucca Mountain has geologic faults which could endanger the water supply. It's on Native tribal land, and Native American lands are the main places to store nuclear waste, even though mining of it on the front end is killing their people, because there are very few options for generating income. But Native Americans are pushing back.

                  On the energy producing end, this is how safe US reactors are today, which is not very. Ask the people of Fukushima how "cheap, clean nuclear power" worked out for them. Oh wait….there aren't any people left in Fukushima 6 years after the meltdown.

                  If an energy source is toxic for 10,000 years, the government stashes the waste on the land of the nation's poorest and most vulnerable people, and the world's best scientists can't find a solution to make storing waste safer, while renewables generate zero waste or pollution, the choice is clear.

                  But you could be a leader, V. You could really push back on Jane Fonda and the NIMBY crowd by hosting a Nuke BBQ and storage party on your own land. After all, it's safe and clean, right?  Let's say you get to choose between storing 300 drums of spent reactor fuel or putting up a  wind turbine-  You get about $12K a month either way. 

                  Are you going to promote your favorite industry, or are you going to be a green wienie? Your choice.

                   

                  1. Ahh, the sound of the Fonda Fundie is heard in the land.  

                    The same number of Americans die every year by being struck on the head by re-entering space vehicles than have died in the whole history of nuclear power — zero.

                    But Ja ne made a movie and you don't get better science than that!  Besides, clean, safe nuclear power doesn't let you rant against corporate America, which is your goal.

                    Jane made a movie,
                    You believe it and that settles it!
                    Praise Bernie and pass the Buffalo chips.

          1. I think you got confused about your links. The first one is to a story about the Waltons.

            Your comment about privatized profits and socialized costs can be extended to most industries for the last century and a half. From the fortunes made in Colorado's mineral district to the information disasters of Facebook and the credit rating agencies. Make a pile of money and leave the mess behind.

            I think the longer term the costs the easier it is for a business to escape with the money. Which is why I am particularly suspicious of nuclear power. While keeping existing plants going and safe is a good idea the building of more of them seems like borrowing money to pay for a tax cut.

            1. The people who assure us they can safely store nuclear waste for 250,000 years are the same folk who doubt Yankee ingenuity can find ways to store renewable energy overnight. It’s cognitive dissonance on steroids. 

                1. Can't possibly be true.  Earth is only 6,000 years old (and flat)!!

                  Don't fall into the Nutter – Caribou Barbie rabbit hole, V.  Energy isn't just the hydrocarbons and minerals baby Prosperity Jesus hid in the Earth's crust for us God-fearin’ Merikans to find in the last century. 

  2. Mueller bags another trophy

    An American lobbyist who worked with Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs pleaded guilty on Friday to failing to register as an agent of a foreign power and disclosed to prosecutors that he helped a Russian political operative and a Ukranian businessman illegally purchase four tickets to President Trump’s inauguration.

    Prosecutors disclosed that the inauguration tickets were worth $50,000 and were purchased with funds that flowed through a Cypriot bank account. Prosecutors did not name the foreigners involved. However, the tickets were purchased for Konstantin V. Kilimnik, a Russian political operative believed to have ties to a Russian intelligence agency, and a Ukranian oligarch.

    The lobbyist, Sam Patten, also agreed to cooperate with prosecutors as part of his plea agreement. He could provide prosecutors insight into a range of activity and individuals relevant to the special counsel investigation, as well as connections between Mr. Trump, his associates and Russia.

    Cartoon.

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