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January 23, 2019 10:35 AM UTC
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Too be fair, while it is doing something and is not going to result in mass round ups of gun owners to be sent to UN black reeducation camps, I have doubts as to if Red Flag bills will actually result in fewer gun deaths. Hopefully I will be wrong and the police will have the resources and the ability to actually prevent some shootings, but I think there are a lot more red herrings than actual red flags.
Tell that to all of the women who die every year at the hands of their boyfriends/partners/ husbands.
From the latest (2016) data from the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Report, compiled on the website of the Violence Policy Center:
"Red flag" law enforcement, triggered by domestic violence police reports, restraining orders, or credible accounts by the victim or relatives, could have saved many of those 292 women.
Now, women do shoot men, and there are same-sex murders as well. They are much rarer. The big picture shows a clear pattern of male on female homicide, with the weapon of choice being a handgun.
My life was threatened by a well-armed person from a prior relationship. I know what I'm talking about.
Are the women who get shot by partners typically able/willing/safe to report their partner? What I am saying is that there is likely to be a problem of the most dangerous gun owners not being reported precisely because they are more dangerous and the people who know are afraid to report them.
I don't know if the FBI has drilled that far down into the data. I haven't seen any correlation of violent incidents / abuse with reporting.
Anecdotally, speaking for myself and for women I've known who were victims of domestic violence, it takes fear for one's own or especially, one's children's lives before one is desperate enough to report an abuser to the police.
In my case, family members and friends took the abuser's guns away and kept them until the situation was deemed safer. There was no "red flag" law, and Evie Hudak's law was not yet in force.
In the past, police have tended to minimize domestic violence as "Lover's spats" or threaten that both parties could lose their kids if they don't "patch things up". And of course, police do tend to have their own issues with spousal abuse. Since living in a rural area, I've found that people don't want to go against their neighbors and distant relatives and so tend to not report dangerous situations, because "everyone will know".
To answer your question, no, women tend to not report until they are in fear for their lives or their kids' lives – often too late. Which is exactly why a "red flag" law that is timely, efficient and easily understood by anyone is needed.
[pedant]Perhaps Russell Haythorn should take time to learn the difference between plural and singular possessive.[/pedant]
And when is Dudley Brown going to get a job instead of living off handouts?
lol j/k The answer is obviously "never."
More grammar enforcement:
I don't think the judges will be the ones "to seize firearms from gun owners" — I expect they will authorize police and other sorts of sworn law enforcement officers to act.
You are splitting hairs. In the eyes of the shallow RWNJs, judges, police, FBI, DEA, OSHA, whatever (except, of course, the constitutional sheriffs) are all part of the same Deep State.
That is a good point. I do, however, applaud the grammar enforcement.
The sheriff of Montgomery County, Maryland is quoted in this story saying the orders are saving lives, and the story says the orders were used four times regarding threats of school shootings. The story's worth a quick reading.
A very interesting read, thanks.
Though the guns everywhere crowd won't be pacified by it I was struck by, "Just under half of those individuals were ordered to turn over their guns and barred from possessing or buying a gun for a year."
So contrary to their rhetoric the courts are not just acting as a rubber stamp for "gun grabbers".
Dudley's photo reminds me of this one
Correction: The Universal Background Check law enacted in 2013 does NOT ban private sales. Rather, it requires that those conducting a private sale seek out a federally licensed gun dealer to conduct a background check.
Speaking of BG checks, did I miss where you mentioned the mug shot of Dudley Brown….as I remember it was for a cocaine arrest. Might be worth repeating that story.