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March 06, 2010 04:04 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • 79 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“No matter how much cats fight, there always seem to be plenty of kittens.”

–Abraham Lincoln

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79 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Employers cut 36,000 jobs – fewer than predicted. These figures signaled to the hoping majority political class that the job market could be headed to a better direction.

    Unfortunately oblivious and unaware these leaders fail to recognize that its investment, private investment, that will bring a sustainable model for U.S. economic recovery.

    Hopingly Stuart Hoffman of PNC Financial Services Group stated, “We’re on the cusp of some job growth, finally, finally,”.

    Other balanced economists wonder, after ARRA then what, knowing government infusions are not sustainable.

    There’s a long way to go. The unsustainable slow-motion, ARRA inspired, recovery means hiring is expected to remain feeble for the rest of the year. To put it in perspective, about 125,000 new jobs are needed each month just to keep up with population growth; and to significantly reduce joblessness, employers would need to create 200,000 to 300,000 jobs a month.

    The question or jobs mystery here is, if the 9.7% unemployment rate is unchanged yet the economy needs 125,000 net job adds just to keep pace, then how has the 9.7% unemployment rate remained constant?

    One solution is obviously the National Democratic Health Care Plan.  By 2018, it could show benefits by adding 30 million citizens to the government directed insurance rolls and place 15% of the national economy under government direction.

    Sharing the pain Increasing budget deficits and rising government debts are likely to entail fierce political battles-not least between taxpayers and public-sector workers: http://www.economist.com/busin

    http://www.businessweek.com/ne

    http://www.denverpost.com/busi

    1. Job growth is always the last thing to happen when you come out of a recession. Always has been. The concern is not that it hasn’t started yet, the concern is that we are going through a major transformation in technology which is dramatically reducing the number of jobs required to deliver all services. And it is drastically increasing the educational level required for most new jobs.

      1. business investment is being sucked dry by shifts of capital to the public sector. Unless we see public sector job growth occur in a sustainable manner I fear we’ve fallen into a trap of spiraling debt and greater unfunded mandates.

        Governments have a history of jailing themselves via handouts and rewards to their own supporters with jobs and subsidies.  The seething masses vote back in the majority hoping for sustainability that never materializes.  Only when a crisis of over investment and negative returns from this government control forces will the debt holders demand control does it force massive cuts in spending.  This is the mirror image of slash and burn private sector tax cuts – capital flows irrationally seeking short term success.

        As to educational levels, with DPS graduating 50% of its high schoolers, Colorado has a sustainable supply of domestic servants and lawn boys for the next 3 decades.  Demanding more at the job place will only bring in more outsiders to fill the rolls, thus leaving the dropouts sidelined to mowing my lawn.  Your right, that will have economic benefits to me if I don’t have to care for their health and retirement via government subsidy programs and handouts.

        1. completely arbitrary to the rigorously derived by applying the best analyses to the most reliable data. For those not trained in a field on which they are pontificating, the best way to approximate this is to cite those who are, and, even better, to cite from where the balance of opinion within the field lies.

          80% of American economists polled had said that they favored Democratic over Republican economic policies. The 2007 Nobel Prize winner in Economics said that the problem with the stimulus was that it was much too small. The Free-market champion Economist magazine is a strong supporter of stimulus spending.

          Weigh these informed opinions against your incessant arbitrary assertions, and the scales not only tip against you, but fling off into space to, I fear, be lost in an endless downward spiral of noisy stupidity.

          You’d be better off finding a more secure position on the other side of the balance.

        2. …I just wanted to remind you again that YOUR tax dollars are paying my salary at the US Courts, where am following Lord Soros’ orders to destroy the most sacred of institutions.

          Big gov’t stimulus plans seem to be working fine as far as I’m concerned – and the big bucks I’m dumping into the Eastern Market area of DC, esp the Ikea, Startbucks and other quasi-socialist merchants in the neighborhood.

          Our Stalinist plan is working perfectly…..BWAHAHAHAHA!  

          1. Lord Soros’ payroll?  I ask because I have inexplicably been left off the Elders of Zion mailing list for world domination so may as well see what Soros can do for me.

  2. If you’re not using the Colorado Democratic Party apparatus for anything, could someone else borrow it? See, the repubs are geared up to take over the country.  And, I know, that training dems on how to calculate the correct number of delegates per preference poll is your number one priority.  BUT, it would be so helpful, if someone could at least make a gesture to counter all the repubs lies.

    This is what is happening now:    If health care reform is not passed by the Easter recess, it is dead and with it the dems control of Congress.   If it does pass, then the dems are dead and will lose control of Congress. Hell, the repubs are on a roll….one scenario has them introducing measures to impeach Obama.  Sure. that sounds crazy.  But remember, how you dems laughed and ridiculed the tea party movement…just about this time a year ago.  REMEMBER?  

    Here is the deal.  The republicans have used the congressional recesses BRILLIANTLY.  Last year’s spring recess saw the beginnings of the tea party rallies. August recess was when the Town Halls effectively scared the living shit out of dems.  Then the Christmas recess was when the repubs completed their national campaign to elect Brown in MA.  And you think that taking control of congress and impeaching Obama is a joke???  So now we are coming up on the Spring or Easter recess, and the repubs are READY to exploit that time at home.  Massive demonstrations, media coverage, and anti-dem rhetoric……I don’t even know if dems will have the support to even appear in public.

    So, Patti, could you let someone do something for the dems?  And about that party platform blank which says that dems WILL not appear on any talk show which has more than 25 listeners, could that be revisited?

      1. The repubs control the airwaves because no one has challenged that control. I don’t blame the repubs for that.

        I blame the dems.

        I think it important that everyone know that local talk radio has 80 hours of republican talk….unanswered.

        If I was not clear about where I place the blame, I apologize.

        My rants are directed at trying, unsuccessfully to date, to sound the alarm to the DEMS about the consequences of repub control of the most pervasive public media.

            1. was underfunded.

              progressive talk is still alive and well.

              Fox took a full 7 years to begin to produce a profit.

              rush limbaugh Gave away his show for 5 years.

              and nobody ever heard of FOF until “spongebob squarepants” was suddenly Gay. (indoctrinating our kids don’t cha know)

              Fact is AM radio still is a cheap place to produce a show. no really listens to it other that the crazy RW type that needs other peoples ideas and thoughts. along with a special dose of hate to get through the day.

              1. Fact is AM radio still is a cheap place to produce a show. no really listens to it other that the crazy RW type that needs other peoples ideas and thoughts. along with a special dose of hate to get through the day.

                What are you talking about?

                It was underfunded, yet it’s cheap to produce and nobody listens to it because only knuckle-draggers are allowed to buy AM radios?

                You’re so shrill lately you’re not even making any sense.

                1. there is a little switch that is labeled AM or FM.

                  Most people with an IQ above 60 have that switch on FM. the IQ61 and above crowd listen to Music and/or public radio. They Recieve news that is the truth and enlightens them to the reality of life.

                  Those stuck on AM prefer to have someone else tell them what to think. (if this came from your AM radio you Would agree)  

                  1. but according to just about everybody besides you, you’re wrong. It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with IQ; demographically, it’s age related. And for the record, Air America mismanaged its finances so I would presume that also played a role. Just ask Franken, who check for $360,000 bounced the year he left Air America.

                    Conservative talk radio listeners have an average age of 67. Meanwhile, the 65 and over bracket is the Republican party’s strongest demographic. Younger (and typically more liberal) individuals are not as likely to listen to talk radio.

                    Another problem is the existence of NPR, which produces, on the whole, better and more varied programming than Air America ever did. NPR exudes an understated but very real leftward tilt. Personalities like Garrison Keillor and Ira Glass are (like Limbaugh) entertaining to listen to. Ultimately, they offered consumers of left-leaning radio more appealing options than Air America did.

                    Even though NPR’s liberal leaning favors a younger audience, the median age of an NPR listener is still 50. To find a young audience, you have to turn to television, which offers the likes of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. As recently as 2008, Stewart’s audience had a median age of 36, although it has now crept up to 41.

                    Radio trends older.

                    Liberals trend younger.

                    X and Y plus NPR = The Death of Air America.

                    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

                    But hey. Thanks for managing to insult just about everybody. That’s something to brag about, I’m sure.

            2. Just not via Air America. Ed Schultz and several others who were never Air America are doing just fine.  We have a mix of syndicated and local doing OK right here on AM 760. Used to have some Air America but most on our dial never were so their demise isn’t much of a blip here. Since these progressive talk radio shows are still on the air, I assume they’re reasonably successful.

              1. AND, the right wing republican talk radio reaches a far, far, wider audience…..there is 80 hours a week of local** republican talk radio.  Dems should confront repubs on those stations to reach the same audience. comprende?

                **local means denver metro area….except Am850 goes all over most of the state…I am not sure abou Am 630

                AM760 has thirty hours a week of local talk “progressive” talk radio.  BUT, if I count in AM760, it is also only fair to include AM710…which is conservative talk radio..most of which is national, but it does some local programming.  I will try and count the hours.

                The point is not that progressive radio gets to talk to itself, but that republican talk radio reaches a vast audience and the propaganda is NOT answered by the dems.

                Of course AM760 is owned by Clear Channel and they don’t have to run progressive talk at all.  Right now, Sirota is busy beating up on Obama…which, of course, helps the repubs.

                I am not interested in what is “:successful”…I am interested in seeing the dems retain power….and I think that the failure, in Colorado, to counter repub propaganda everywhere, but especially on talk radio will cost Colorado a Senator, maybe a governor, and maybe some Congressional seats.  I don’t know what will happen with the state legislature, but I do not see the dems retaining control.

                1. And not necessarily according to power.

                  I can get both 760 and 850 on the Western Slope easily at night, when the D layer of the ionosphere doesn’t absorb the signal.

                  I can get neither during the day.

                  Range is more dependent on propagation than power.  In good propagation conditions, I can work stations in Taiwan with 10 watts into a wet noodle.  In poor propagation, not so much.

                2. doesn’t have the reach of rightie talk at the moment.  Rush was able to take over the  airwaves early on, for instance, by being offered free in many markets. Just saying that the demise of Air America doesn’t mean progressive radio is a failure and that people won’t listen.  There are markets in which, for instance, Ed has trumped Rush at various times.  

                  Unfortunately the righties got there first and became the norm on mega-range stations before progressive radio ever got much of a start.  Clear Channel would drop progressive radio altogether if it wasn’t OK for their bottom line. The end of Air America doesn’t mean the end of progressive radio.  

                  I will say I can’t listen to Thom Hartman anymore.  He bores me to tears and it’s the same thing over and over and over. Too much self righteous earnestness, too little entertainment. Of course I could say the same for Mike Rosen only replace self righteous earnestness with let them eat cake snottiness.  You don’t have to actually listen to either one of them, or to Rush either, to know exactly what they are going to say about anything.

                1. I didn’t know that AM760 can be heard on the Western Slope. This is good information.

                  But, at night, there is no local programing on AM760, whereas AM850 is all local at night.  

                  Right now, I am focusing on the ability of the Colorado repubs to broadcast 80 hours a week of local republican propaganda and I am pointing out that the dems are NOT answering the charges/lies which are being broadcast.

                  The reason I am doing this is my attempt to try and wake up colorado dems to the ongoing repub media campaign, of which talk radio is a valuable part, which should be countered.  Using talk radio, the repubs, without spending one gd red cent, have been able to brand the dems and frame the debate.  That is critically important.  the dems, should they decide to pursue a campaign,, will be on the defensive.  The ground work has been laid in Colorado by the repubs for a big victory in november.  as a card carrying dues paying member of the democratic party, i am pissed.

  3. 1. Newspapers have for centuries been a central institution of democracy–the Fourth Estate.

    2. Newspapers serve multiple purposes: informing readers of what’s happening, and also reflecting what’s of interest to readers, i.e. to a community. The definition of “what’s happening” may include recent events, or perhaps features on trends reflective of life in a community, whether that community is a town, state, nation, or the entire globe.

    3. The front page isn’t arbitrary; it has long been used to highlight the most important, or most interesting, stories. You don’t expect to find greyhound results on Page One, for example.

    4. The front page of The Denver Post on March 6, 2010, devotes half its space to the story of a CSU student who “won” a “competition” at rock, paper, scissors, in a pub, and is therefore going to Alcapulco for a “championship.”

    Sad, sad, sad. Sad to say what this says about the judgment of the editors at The Post. Sad to say what it says about the role of the Fourth Estate, or at least the local manifestation, in Denver and in Colorado. Sad to say what it says about the intellectual level, presumed, of the community. Any Outlander must be left wondering…

    STAY TUNED: Next week: Hop-Scotch Results!

    1. the Post has effectively eliminated it’s ONLY competition. Sad really as for a year now the Post has been steadily going down the drain.

      the Intellectual curiosity of the post is now nonexistent.

      The propagandist haters the post allows to “contribute” to any and all of its online political articles… collectively have the intellect of a blackhead.

      It is the beginning of the end of our democracy for the fourth estate to neglect its responsibility for truth in real life storytelling.

      So it goes the Post has no competition and thus lost any and all desire or need to compete. No journalistic standards however high they may have been, now exist at the Post.

        1. And there is no substitute, either in the present or on the horizon, for a serious effort at journalism. The various local forays into Internet substitutes are far, far from the “real thing,” mostly because they don’t have the financial resources. This is uncharted territory: a “democracy” without a fully functional journalistic institution. I can’t think of any example of that form of government functioning without a vibrant press.

          (I’m referring here to Colorado only; on the national scene, and in other locales, online versions of legitimate newspapers will, we can hope, successfully make the economic transition from cold type to digital type, although this remains to be demonstrated.)

          The sad lament isn’t for The Post, or The Rocky. It’s for democracy, which goes far, far beyond traipsing to a polling place every two years or so.

          1. Like during the founding of our country. The “newspapers” of the time were so partisan they make Fox & MSNBC look evenhanded. And they were shallow broadsheets with no real reporting.

            Yet we created this country…

            1. Like during the founding of our country. The “newspapers” of the time were so partisan they make Fox & MSNBC look evenhanded. And they were shallow broadsheets with no real reporting.

              And while you’re teaching us about the history of newspapers, pray tell us what is “real reporting”?

                1. And they were shallow broadsheets with no real reporting.

                  Is the captioned paper one of those you had in mind? Or maybe Olde Dutch New Yorke Niewspapier?

                  Was the author of the today’s Denver Post’s feature on paper-scissors-rock a part-timer? Is that the key feature?

                  C’mon, David, you introduced the history lesson. Give us a few titles, maybe some examples… Timesheets or payroll ledgers? Examples of “fake reporting” as opposed to “real reporting”? Show us that you know what you’re talking about.

                  –From a “real dick.”

          2. I am not disagreeing with you. If you have a solution, state it.

            If you don’t, spare me the sad lament.  Turn on your FM and feel superior.

        2. where delicate sensibilities do not rule…

          F.U. and the Horse you rode in on.

          I find it revealing that you do not mind blatant propaganda rule the “News” sources.

          It must be the Only way to preserve conservative power.

          1. Because you’re insulting him anonymously.  

            The corn in Dwyer’s crap makes more salient and honest arguments than your incessant posting of stupid pictures and talking points.

    2. They existed when there were two newspapers in this town, and everyone who was anyone subscribed to both, or at the very least one or the other, ever day.

      I’m not saying you’re points aren’t valid, I’m just saying that some days there’s no story, and you get the rock paper scissors world champ, or the ugliest dog, or the cow who won top prize at the county fair. That’s just how it goes sometimes.

      1. …just to cite one example. Or the Armenian Genocide vote & brouhaha for another. Let’s fuggedabout some enterprise reporting, e.g. “how did ticket sales to J&J Dinner go this year?” Nuclear disarmament anyone? What is it like to be long-term unemployed in Denver? What did long-term unemployed people think about Jim Bunning’s antics?

        The rocks-scissors-paper story wasn’t just a “slow news day” feature. It wasn’t a story. Period.

        As for “That’s just how it goes sometimes,” I suggest that “it” never “goes,” any way, any time. Every word in the newspaper, on television, on this blog, is the result of a conscious decision and effort by one or more people.

        Why make excuses? We all have a vital interest in having “real reporting” available as part of our social structure.

        1. are your idea of front-page news? Seriously?

          But thanks for pointing out that there was never a cheesy human-interest story on the front page back in the good ol’ days, when the Fourth Estate took its responsibilities seriously. It really is an astounding, new development, and signals the end of the social compact as we know it.

            1. I founded the Newton Foster Society for the Personification and Perpetuation of Journalistic Cliches.

              Newton was a Kansas City, Mo.,  man convicted of disturbing the peace.  He was trying to put the moves on his girl but kept being distracted by the barking of her dog, Foo-Foo Baby.  Finally, he grabbed the dog and bit her!

              Girlfriend, not amused, filed charges and Newton was duly convicted.

               Every journalist in the country, raised on the maxim “Dog bites man, not news.  Man bites dog, that’s news” poured down a shot of cheap whiskey in silent communion with Newton Foster upon reading that story.

    3. Read the Rocky on the bus, then read the Post after supper because it was so thin, it was a quick read.

      Now we can only get the Post, alas, and I currently have 13 days’ worth under my coffee table, still in their wrappers, because the only thing worth reading in the darn thing is the comics, and they’ll keep until I get around to to reading them.

  4. GOV. RITTER HOME FROM HOSPITAL AFTER BICYCLE ACCIDENT

    Gov. Bill Ritter is home and resting comfortably today after being discharged from Denver Health Medical Center following Tuesday’s early morning bicycle accident.

    The Governor and First Lady Jeannie Ritter thanked Dr. Carlton Barnett and the entire medical staff at Denver Health for the outstanding care they provided over the past several days. They also thanked the countless Coloradans who sent get-well cards and called wishing the Governor a speedy recovery.  

    Gov. Ritter will be working a limited schedule next week as he continues to heal from injuries sustained in the accident.

    Best wishes for the Governor’s recovery.

  5. Dear President Obama,

    I understand you may be looking to replace Rahm Emanuel as your chief of staff.

    I would like to humbly offer myself, yours truly, as his replacement.

    I will come to D.C. and clean up the mess that’s been created around you. I will work for $1 a year. I will help the Dems on Capitol Hill find their spines and I will teach them how to nonviolently beat the Republicans to a pulp.

    And I will help you get done what the American people sent you there to do. I don’t need much, just a cot in the White House basement will do.

    Now, don’t get too giddy with excitement over my offer, because you and I are going to be up at 5 in the morning, 7 days a week and I am going to get you pumped up for battle every single day (see photo). Each morning you and I will do 100 jumping jacks and you will repeat after me:

    “THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECTED ME, NOT THE REPUBLICANS, TO RUN THE COUNTRY! I AM IN CHARGE! I WILL ORDER ALL OBSTRUCTIONISTS OUTTA MY WAY! IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T LIKE WHAT I’M DOING THEY CAN THROW MY ASS OUT IN 2012. IN THE MEANTIME, I CALL THE SHOTS ON THEIR BEHALF! NOW, CONGRESS, DROP AND GIVE ME 50!!”

    Then we will put on our jogging sweats and run up to Capitol Hill. We will take names, kick butts, and then take some more names. If we have to give a few noogies or half-nelson’s, then so be it. In our pockets we will have a piece of paper to show the pansy Dems just how much they won by in 2008 — and the poll results that show the majority of Americans oppose the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and want the bankers punished. Like drill sergeants, we will get right up in their faces and ask them, “WHAT PART OF THE PUBLIC MANDATE DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, SOLDIER?!! DROP AND GIVE ME 50!”

    I know this is the job Rahm Emanuel was supposed to be doing…..

    You can read the rest of the letter from Michael to the President here (It’s a Hoot!)

    http://crooksandliars.com/node

    1. .

      Rahm Emmanuel is doing exactly what he was hired to do.

      While it may appear that President Obama wants to implement a progressive agenda, and Rahm is thwarting that effort,

      in actuality he is an intentional “Bad Cop” to Obama’s “Good Cop.”  If Obama really wanted to make big changes, he would have made someone like Michael Moore the Chief of Staff a year ago.  

      Obama is mostly about getting reelected.  He is willing to sacrifice majorities in the House and Senate to win in 2012.  He is willing to compromise any campaign promise.  Rahm’s job is to make sure that Obama isn’t blamed for anything that might offend voters in 2 years.

      .

      1. To remedy that flaw, perhaps presidents should be elected to one six-year term.

        The way it is now, the first 18 months or two years of a term are spent learning the ropes and the rest of the term is spent getting re-elected, which lends itself to knee-jerk leadership. Since there can be no third term, the president will spend the second term trying to fulfill campaign promises. So, out of eight years, the people only get four years of productivity.

        A six-year term means never having to run for re-election. The first 18 to 24 months are spent learning the ropes and the remaining 4-1/2 to five years are spent fulfilling campaign promises. And the people only have to  suffer through one presidential election every six years.  

    2. I am really fed up with people blaming Rahm for the perceived lack of action from Obama. Rahm was the original voice calling for Obama to pass HC leg in smaller packages with the more popular pieces first to gain poltical momentum. Additionally, he has always been more partisan than Obama – he wasn’t the one who came up with Obama’s dream to someone transcend partisanship and try to work with a party of obstructionists beholden to extremist voters.

      And even if I granted MM’s premise, he’s still an incredibly naive jackass – plague of the liberals in the same way Rush is for conservatives. He demonstrates little to no understanding of how the political process works, to somehow think that a) the election of a bunch of moderate democrats (because yes that is what swept dems into congress and the white house) somehow means that they have a mandate to pass anything MM wants is crazy; and b) that somehow Obama could just magically overcome republican obstructionism if he had a different CoS is stupid to the extreme.

      So screw you michael moore, you’re not doing anyone any good, and I would appreciate it if you crawled back under whatever rock it is you came from.

  6. The room was filled with honorable people of integrity.

    It was good to talk to Sec. Salazar again. The entire Democratic congressional delegation was present.

    I sat with the CDP Labor folks, but worked the room. I got to introuduce my friend Elvis Boling from Adams county to most the people that I wanted to talk with. There wasn’t enough time to touch base with everyone, such as Sen Hart and his wife.

    Romanoff had an entourage and received a warm welcome from many, a polite reception from others.

    It was a good night for Sen Bennet.

    It’s clear that we have hard working honest people associated with our party.  

    1. The cheers for Romanoff were about twice the volume of the cheers for Bennet, when Ken Salazar called on the crowd to show support. Only electeds addressed the crowd, so Bennet got to stand up front — to introduce the board of education members. Romanoff was mingling with the crowd through most of it, barely sat down to eat.

      It was close, but I’d say Morgan Carroll, Mike Johnston and Evie Hudak had the loudest cheers when legislators were being introduced.

      Among all the speakers, the crowd was probably most boisterous for Hickenlooper and Ken Salazar, but everyone was warmly received.

      1. Thanks to all who pulled it off.  

        It is true, Bennet got half the noise Romanoff did, but that was up significantly  from a year ago when no one knew who he was. I am very encouraged. I also know the 3000 hard core OFA folks who support him aren’t into fancy party dinners and were not there (at least I saw very few). This was the first time I was there — I know a lot of people who go, but fou-fou political proms are not exactly grassroots. Nonetheless, I am glad I went — it was great.

        Thanks for mentioning Morgan Carroll. She is a class act. I just know we will see her in a major office one of these days. She is BRILLIANT. Her partner Mike Weissman also deserves a lot of credit for his behind the scenes work at the CO Dems office, too.

        Another huge cheer went up for Cary Kennedy.  She is a darling of Colorado Dems!

      2. The Speaker has questioned almost every elected officials integrity in his anti-pac for everyone but me stance.

        I don’t share that view. I don’t question Romanoff’s integrity, even though he has a history of taking and giving pac money.  

    2. It was a good night. The room was packed with good Dems from all over the state. It is fun to reconnect with friends, some of which I haven’t seen since November of 2008.

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