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I'm not certain what all would be required for a secession. I'm assuming a vote of the people in the district on a resolution, petitioning Congress for a new status.
The US Constitution requires: "no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the juncture of two or more States or parts of States, without the consent of the legislatures of the States concerned as well as Congress."
Chance of the current Colorado state legislature forming a majority to allow secession? I'd guess pretty dim, but stranger things have happened. Prior precedent for West Virginia suggests there would be some need to apportion debts, consider payment for existing state owned property, and set a time table for establishment of the new status.
If the secession was an action to join with Wyoming or Nebraska, there would need to be some interesting discussions in the legislatures of either state. They could appreciate the additional population and resources — but may also be hesitant about adding an area likely to be more liberal than their current populations.
Chance of a majority in each chamber of the US Congress (and presumably a 60 vote cloture in the Senate)? With legislators recognizing they would be setting a precedent for the possibility of mischief from other dissatisfied areas of multiple states, I'm fairly certain there would be a difficult time developing a majority. If it were an action to set up a 51st state, I think most would require a "balancing" state for Senate representation — so, statehood for Puerto Rico?
Chance of a Presidential signature? Who knows —
Northeastern Colorado as more “more liberal” than anything is difficult to imagine.
It's more complicated than that.
But in the end – it's an anti-American, anti-democratic, delusion.
The research is interesting – it usually starts with Texas and SCOTUS.
But I always start with Jefferson and Louisiana. Then Tippecanoe and Tyler too – through Trist. Then Texas and SCOTUS.
JIC – I am glad the Union won the war, I favor statehood for DC and Puerto Rico. The US should have the Baja and Colorado River delta – two chances, blew the Treaty and the purchase. Colorado counties with less than 2500 residents should be eliminate, merged into one or more of their neighbors.
Weld County O&G producers would not like the severance bill in Wyoming. (And Wyoming doesn't want them)
Who was it that announced if the D's win – they would move out of Colorado?
Some half-term right wing state senator that got bounced out of office.
Who is Laura Waters Woods for $500, Alex.
Laura
WatersWoods.In Gilpin County, we've looked at recombining our school districts but the big kicker is always how much we would have to pay Boulder Valley School District for our share of all the bonds that have been issued. Seccession like Brexit sounds sexy but when you put real numbers to the idea, it comes up short financially. This is all the usual sound and fury by Republicans when they aren't in power. How about running some non-crappy candidates so you have a chance in our elections to gain or hold onto your precious power.
Girl, please. Don't go away mad, just …..go away.
Hey Vic, here's an idea. Why don't you just personally secede from Colorado. You'll have to resign as a State Senator, but you weren't representing your constituents anyway. You would also have to move outside the borders of the state. But that will make the states' collective IQ rise.
I think you mean average, not collective.
Yeah. Average.
Vicky leaving would actually raise the collective IQ as well as the average since hers is a four digit neg ative number.
One person bitching about the need to go isn't a proposed secession; it's a proposed move. And taking territory from one state to set up a new state isn’t secession; it’s setting up a new state.
But hey, if the nutters can persuade Congress and the state legislature to let them go, fine and dandy. The primary downside is having yet another dirt poor wingnut enclave that blue states will be required to carry financially.
And, if memory serves, Colorado Pols designed the perfect state flag for the new entity awhile back.
Testimony from "hundreds" of people in 12 hours, with time out for lunch and potty breaks. I doubt that. Attended by hundreds maybe, with perhaps 100 five-minute speakers.
I don't think that the call for succession is as nutty as the reason she thinks it is necessary. When they make these types of threats because they feel that someone is coming for their guns, or threatening their god, or challenging their free speech, it is an overreaction, but at least there is a (presumably) heartfelt principle at stake. But she is complaining about oil and gas regulations! Even if the regulations were confiscatory, which they are not, even if they were an overreach, which they are not, the oil and gas industry can defend itself, in the courts and in the next election.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Any county that wants to secede can do so just as long as they reimburse the rest of the state for all the infrastructure they have received from ALL Colorado taxpayers. Let's begin with UNC in Greeley and the community college in Sterling as starters.
For many years, Northeastern Junior College in Sterling was supported by a local mill levy. This fine school is now part of the state system. Its chief shame is that Tom Tancredo is a graduate.
"Governor OC"?
What have I missed?
Like what CHB is touching on above, I would like to see some media outlet do a decent analysis on the possible financial balance sheet regarding secession or threats thereof. What say you, media outlets?
Hoooooray! Get’er done this time, please! . . .
. . . and, no nutter take-backs!
https://www.zillow.com/homes/cheyenne_rb/?utm_content=344523780%7C23623154580%7Caud-352785741004:kwd-1674079218%7C140438786540%7C&semQue=null&k_clickid=_kenshoo_clickid_&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrKbJrNjw4AIVSxtpCh2MCAK2EAAYAyAAEgIBI_D_BwE
Your dreams await you in Cheyenne! It’ll be an absolute Marbletopia!
Germans????
. . . Forget it, she’s on a roll.
Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
No, but Germany folded when Washington crossed the Rhine.
Isn't it funny how conservaderps, always the victims, never act like adults, discussing things, but instead would rather shit their pants and throw a tantrum. They're not adults anymore and need to be ignored and voted out. If they act like adults again, we'll welcome them back.
Besides the oil and gas-rich areas becoming their own state, taking a lot of state revenue with them, having a huge number of evangelitards secede into their own rightwing utopia is a tantalizing thought.
I'm going to recommend to my good friend, Sen Marble,
that she go with a Sanctuary instead of a secession.
If the Dems can foist it about immigration issues with the Feds,
then the various districts/counties should fling it at the State.
Greeley is already a sanctuary for oil and gas. There is nowhere else in the country, except perhaps on Indian reservations, where the pollution and dangers of resource extraction are placed in neighborhoods, next to schools, playgrounds, hospitals, and nursing homes.
Map of wells and well heads in Weld County area, posted by WTFrack:
I don't know how you can make Weld County any more of a sanctuary for oil and gas than it is now.
https://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/dc10map/SLD_RefMap/upper/st08_co/sldu08023/DC10SLDU08023_000.pdf
Perhaps an overlay would inform you as to her District boundaries.
Sen Dist Map – Dist 23
https://leg.colorado.gov/senate-district-map