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March 17, 2010 03:48 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I do not believe that any political campaign justifies the declaration of a moratorium on ordinary common sense.”

–Dwight D. Eisenhower

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    1. It is one of our favorite get-aways for an early spring escape.  

      A couple of restaurant recommendations:  Trio, and Cafe les Artistes.  Both excellent.  Another favorite, Los Xitomates, may have recently closed, which is a shame – it was great too.  If it is still open – go!

      Have fun – hope all of the whales have not already passed on their way north.

    1. We’d be reading your blog already, wouldn’t we?

      Blog whoring is rude.

      You did it once, we told you about it.  Now you’ve done it two days in a row.  If you do it again, you’ll have about as much credibility as the payday loan spammers.

    1. He said that this guarantees Romanoff top place on the primary ballot.  WRONG.

      I have had it up to here with East Coast heads who do not know from a hole in the ground.

      1. caucus.

        No one gets it.

        Did “30%” mean anything last night?

        Could caucus goers remain “uncommitted” even if they were less than 15% in their caucus?

        Could delegates be elected in absentia? Alternates?

        Could resolutions be made that would change state law?

        not really

        yes- but they get no delegates to county

        no and no

        sure- but they don’t actually change the law  

        1. If you can tell that there’s not going to be enough votes to make threshold, you can change your vote in the official preference poll to something where your vote will count. We had one undecided, but that wasn’t enough to make threshold. She still ended up voting undecided in the preference poll, even though we told her that it wouldn’t end up getting reflected in the delegate count.

        2. all we’re looking at is “raw counts” – whoch doesnt matter much. It’ about delegates.

          Example

          Take a precinct with 19 attendees and 3 delegates.

          split R10- B9, approx 50/50  

          But Romanoff gets 2 delegates, Bennet 1, approx 67/33.

          Say it was  more lopsided – R16 – B3, 80/20

          But  still 2/1 on delegates.

          So the raw count doens’t tell us exactly what the delegate count is – and even though I agree the caucus can be kind of pointless, it’s only delegates that matter.

    1. Remember “our [cough] the 527”? They were going to go hard negative on Penry as soon as the campaign began. Maes might be less known than Penry, but there are fewer skeletons in his closet–or McInnis’ campaign severely underestimated how he’s do, and didn’t do any digging.

      Either way, I think it’s more complicated than you’re making it out to be.

      1. .

        McInnis will paint Maes as a meanie.  Dan is in the credit scoring business.  Some folks experience great anxiety over their credit scores.  Ripe for exploitation.  

        Then again, I expected Romanoff to highlight how Bennet actually made his fortune – I think is was somehow related to the cannibalization of US West, wasn’t it, and laying off thousands of technicians, taking telecom services into the brave new world of do-it-yourself systems engineering ?  ColoPols geeks may not miss QOS as much as ordinary voters.

        .

  1. but I am on the Democracy For America (what was formerly Dean For America) e-mail list.  Yesterday I received an e-mail from them offering a “free sticker” stating “I Stand With Howard Dean” to thank him for his vocal support of a public option inclusion in health care reform.

    Now stay with me…

    Dean has had what can only be described as an acrimonious relationship with this White House from day one…and has been a frequent guest on every political talk show that will invite him on where more often than not, he criticizes this White House and congress.  DFA has also been raising funds for Progressive Democrats in competetive campaigns around the country. He was chair of the DNC when we won seats in congress that no one thought we had a chance to win…and at least part of the reason was his much hearalded “50 State Strategy”.  He has lots of IOUs out there to be called in.

    So, that brings me to this question:  What is Dean running for?  What are the chances that he is preparing to challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012?  I think he is laying the groundwork to do exactly that….

  2. Hawai’i is considering a bill that would let the state government designate certain individuals as “vexatious requesters” of information, which would restrict their access to government records for up to two years.

    The bill is designed to relieve a burden from the state’s Department of Health, which is still getting numerous requests for proof of President Obama’s birth in the state.  A number of these requests are “repeat offenders”, convinced that because they didn’t get back “enough” information in their previous requests that they must keep digging.

    Dave’s mother, as usual, adds some informed dialogue to the debate, quoted by AP:

    “Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born?” asked Rep. Cynthia Thielen, R-Kaneohe-Kailua. “When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, ‘We’re now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'”

    It’s a tough debate.  How many ways can you tell someone you don’t have (or can’t by law give them) what they’re asking for?  And yet, how does it serve the state if by not responding to repeated requests it fuels the birther conspiracy?  

    1. Looks like Cynthia Thielen is a crypto-birther: one who may not believe the birther crap herself, but who thinks the birthers have legitimate questions that need to be answered. Ignoring repeat requests when you’ve already provided the information is not at all the same thing as ignoring any requests at all. I used to have more respect for her.

      The birther conspiracy is self-sustaining. No matter how much information they get, they will continue to wonder about the mysterious other documents they’re not getting, and the fact that they’re asking these questions makes them wonder why they’re the only ones asking these questions.  

      1. I think it’s a definite possibility that passing legislation and cutting off all contact with the more persistent birthers could cause a resurgence in birther requests to the department, and a corresponding renewal of “interest” in the topic.

        I think what I’d want to know is, does the department have to officially do a new search if they already know the answer to an inquiry?  Can they just send a form letter?  The number of requests per week seems small if it’s just the latter.

        1. there’s no question that unlimited requests for information should be honored, at no charge to the individual requesting the information. In a world of limited resources, the question becomes more complex, and sometimes a balancing of imperatives needs to be considered.

          Any law which permits unlimited burdening of any public resource poses the serious problem of inviting malicious mischief on the part of people whose agenda is served by overburding that resource. The best policy would probably involve charging the full costs for any requests for information (rarely covered by any fees charged) beyond some low threshold.

      1. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: March 17, 2010

        Contact: Representative Thielen’s Office

        Phone:(808) 586-6480  Fax(808) 586-6481

        Conspiracy is Not the Case

        50th District Representative Cynthia Thielen Does Not Support “Birther’s” Conspiracy Theory

        HONOLULU – Yesterday, SB2937, Relating to Information Practices, was heard before the Judiciary Committee.  In a recent article by Mark Niesse, Associated Press, Representative Cynthia Thielen was quoted as saying “Do we really want to be known internationally as the Legislature that blocked any inquiries into where President Obama was born? When people want to get more information, the way to fuel that fire is to say, ‘We’re now going to draw down a veil of secrecy.'”

        “What Mr. Niesse omitted was my quick statement that I do not believe in the ‘birther’s’ claims of a conspiracy regarding President Barack Obama’s citizenship,” the Representative said. “I do believe that government records should be public, except where there is a privacy right to-know such as with birth certificates.”

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