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Here's Coffman's story:
It was only sensible for him to spend the day with the fire department unless you've already forgotten the story of Nero and Rome burning.
Look for that silver lining . . .
Perhaps there were unfortunate “disruptions,” but isn’t it good to see Mike and Cindy are back together again?. . .
Poor Nutlid. Looks like he missed his chance with Ms. Coffman. Maybe he can still take his shot with Kellyanne.
Moderanus is not in nearly that good of shape.
"failed leadership" is a pretty harsh description.
Sounds about right
when the shoe fits…
I am going to give Mayor Coffman credit for holding a special city council meeting to address the issue, and for not being a Trumpian asshole and try to gaslight everyone and argue that the problem doesn't even exist.
Low bar, I know…
Wow poor Mayor Mike gets pummeled wherever he goes.
Or maybe it's just FAILED LEADERSHIP.
Along with Mayor Coffman, could we hear some words from the police union leadership as well? These guys seem to be recruited to be war mongers.
If that video doesn’t make your blood boil, you are not a fucking American…isn’t that right, Mayor Coffman? You being the expert in that department. This shit is exactly what we have been talking about here. Who gave the order to unleash storm troopers on that crowd? Those aren’t police…those are soldiers.
Where are Toody and Muldoon when we need them?
Dress them up like soldiers and they’ll act like soldiers. That’s what needs to change. Take away their military gear, and the anonymity it provides, and they’ll have to behave like civilized people.
100%
It would also help, Cookie, if so many people didn’t try to murder cops. More than 100 police died in the line of duty last year. My cop son in law is alive only because he is a better shot than the disturbed individual who shot at him first.
Cops aren’t perfect but they are a hell of a lot better than the men — almost always men — that try to kill them. My son in law is a good man, a loving father and his safety is my first concern.
V, I understand that when the subject is the actions of cops, your belt is around your forehead, but that doesn't make the protesters wrong. It also doesn't make dressing cops in military surplus combat gear a good idea. "The (Washington) Post's database shows police fatally shot 13 unarmed black men in 2019"–USA Today, 23 June 2020.
Some of those "unarmed" black men were unarmed only because they failed to take the guns away from the officers they attacked. Michael Brown in Ferguson was a good example. Two thorough investigations — one by Obama's attorney general, Eric Holder — proven Brown attacked Wilson and tried to take his gun away. If he had succeeded, it would have been the officer who died, not Brown. There are some bad cops, yes.
But there are a lot more bad men.
Brown’s attempting to take Wilson’s weapon is a disputed factor in the shooting that followed.
It is accepted that Wilson grabbed Brown by the back of his neck and tried to pull him into the patrol car.
There was a struggle, some see as Brown trying to free himself from Wilson’s grasp and others see as Brown going for Wilson’s gun.
Brown was shot the first time then, as he was in Wilson’s grasp and in the car and then 10 more times in the street, several times after Brown turned around with his hands raised and said, “I don’t have a gun. Stop shooting!”.
All that over some cigarillos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown
The incident begins, indisputably, with Brown robbing the cigarillos from a storekeeper.
I understand your belief that we should not arrest robbers if they are black. Victims of robbery, who are disproportionately black, disagree.
In the ensuing investigations, six witness, all of them black, collaborated Wilson's account that Bown, a very powerful man, attacked Wilson and tried to take his gun.
Here are some sobering facts. In 2015, there were 6,095 black homicide victims. In 2016, according to the Washington Post, there were 258 black people killed by police.
Practically all of those black homicide victims were killed by young black men.
Were a few of police killings unjustified? Undoubtedly.
So should we "abolish the police" and hope that the more than 6,000 black people murdered by black criminals every year will somehow be safe when the gangs and drug dealers — and even the unarmed robbers like Michael Brown — are give total suzerainty over our neighborhoods?
I don't think so.
I understand your belief that you must argue this with a strawman of your own contrivance.
If the struggle happened within the confines of the patrol car’s driver’s area then one would have to be standing on or near the car in order to have definitive knowledge of what happened.
There are descriptions of that part of the struggle that differ.
I have never called for “abolish”ing police. That is one of your strawman arguments.
No, I do not “
hope that the more than 6,000 black people murdered by black criminals every year will somehow be safe when the gangs and drug dealers — and even the unarmed robbers like Michael Brown — are give total suzerainty over our neighborhoods?”. That is another of your strawman arguments.
Can we stick to facts and not resort to innuendo and accusations?
You wouldn’t know a fact if it bit you on the ass, kickshot. Obama’s DOJ ruled that Wilson fired in self defense.
Of course, in your view, Eric Holder and Obama are virulent racists who can’t be trusted to investigate the death of a black man.
Oh. wait.
The claim by Brown’s friend that he was shot in the back was refuted by physical evidence — the bullets hit Brown from the front.
The six witnesses — all of them black — who testified that Brown attacked Wilson were near the car. You were not. Yet, somehow you contradict them?
You have a visceral hatred of cops, as you proved yesterday when you desperately tried to justify the killing of the Tulsa officer.
It blinds you to the truth, straw boy.
Now wrap that up in your cigarillos the next time you steal a pack from a store.
Wilson fired in self defense, yes.
Did he have to? No.
You can't argue anything without your strawmen. You have to devolve into juvenile, trumpian namecalling. Or maybe namecalling is all you have going for you. It's the lowest form of argument and says a lot about you.
I do not have a visceral hatred of cops. I used to sign their paychecks. I know enough about them that Wilson's behavior disgusted me but did not surprise me. Same for the Tulsa cops.
Stealing cigarillos or driving with expired temporary tags are not capital crimes and the cops need to keep that firmly in mind and find an alternative to violence before they overreact and resort to deadly force.
It's called de-escalation.
A cop firing in self defense "disgusts" you, and you are disgusted at the cops in Tulsa when a felon murders one and perhaps two of them.
But you don't hate cops?
You are a piece of work, cigarillo boy!
Again w/the strawmen and the namecalling.
You are totally helpless and bankrupt without it.
No, I do not hate cops. I am just wise to them from experience.
Nor do the disgust me. Just some of them and some of their unsupportable actions. A lot like people who have to rely on strawmen and namecalling.
You said you found Officer Wilson and the murdered Tulsa cops “disgusting.”
your words, not mine, Cigarillo boy.
P.s. Next time at least pretend some sympathy for the murdered cops and their families, rather than boasting about your disgust that they tried to arrest a criminal (and did not draw their own guns.)
What a hypocrite you are.
The DoJ report you cite only concluded that it could not be proven that Wilson acted with criminal intent. ( p 86)
There were credible witnesses who argued otherwise. There were many questions as to Wilson’s judgement – and the D o J also did a scathing review of the Ferguson Police Department, documenting racist, discriminatory and abusive practices and culture.
Why do you always project emotions and even crimes onto those with whom you have a petty disagreement? Do you suppose Officer Wilson and Michael Brown both came to their encounter with with similar ideas about the other?
He’s a racist white cop who wants to kill me
He’s a big black Cop-hating thug and I’d better put him down hard
If you resist restructuring policing ( I refuse to use the inflammatory and inaccurate “defund” or “abolish”) , then what is your plan to keep good cops like your son-in-law safe, and also the general public including people of color, given how toxic the relationship has become?
@kickshot: when a cop is in a life or death situation, "de-escalation" probably isn't in the forefront of his mind.
It's like the far right wing gun boys, with their AR-15s who think they can handle protestors with guns. Not so easy in the real world unless one has had training.
"You said you found Officer Wilson and the murdered Tulsa cops “disgusting.”"
OK. I am going to call you a name now.
You are a bald-faced liar and a troll.
And you can't read except to cherry pick and distort.
My disgust was with their behavior.
And your behavior now too.
I agree. De-escalation needs to be practiced before it gets to life and death, well before.
There are procedures and policies now to de-escalate high-speed chases in residential neighborhoods. When will cops come to the conclusion that if they don't get compliance to an order quickly that they are not likely to get it without crossing that point-of-no-return that quickly develops into violence and unpredictability?
The behavior you found disgusting in. the Tulsa cops consisted of their being murdered and critically wounded. The behaviors you. found disgusting in Wilson was that he did not let Brown kill him.
The “lies” you claimed I told were quoting your hate spiels.
Your are a piece of work, shitkick!
You should have quit while you were ahead.
More lies on top of your others.
Are you trying to out-Dump Dump?
You're well on your way.
"The behavior you found disgusting in. the Tulsa cops consisted of their being murdered and critically wounded."
Strawman lies. You're not a mind reader.
"The behaviors you. found disgusting in Wilson was that he did not let Brown kill him."
More strawman lies. You can't argue with what I really said so you have to make shit up. You're pathetic.
kw tree
The DOJ report clearly and repeatedly ruled Wilson acted in self defense. The language about no criminal intent is standard.
in 2015 6,095 black Americans died from homicide. The vast majority were killed by blacks.
In 2016, there were 258 black people killed by the police — the vast majority being armed and involved I n criminal behavior. And about 100 police were killed in the line of duty.
And you think these numbers indicate that the Police are at fault for the terror in black neighborhoods like Chicago?
I do commend you for avoiding the Abolish the police/Defund the police stupidity of the anarchy left,
To see what can be feasibly done, look at New Yorks latest moves.
You’ve never been ahead, kickk.
Come on, I dare you, pretend to have just a bit of sympathy for the murdered cops and their families, instead of defending the “right” of Ware to kill them.
Come on, pretend you aren’t a total jerk.
Can’t do it, Can you?
Were any orders given to the riot police, or did the riot police riot?
Who is responsible for giving the orders, if any? The riot police commander on the scene? The mayor? The City Council?
Same questions should go to Mayor Webb and Governor Polis.
I just learned about the 1992 police riot in New York during Mayor Dinkins time in office.
Uh, Parkhill? Webb hasn't been mayor since 2003, and he doesn't really resemble Mayor Hancock. Nothing like this would ever have happened if he were mayor. He averted a riot on Election Night in 1992.
Just wait until my memory blames mayor Stapleton.
They say the memory is the first to go and I forget what goes next.
A friend of mine attended the protest Sunday, and said that there were definitely a very few outsiders (people no one knew or had seen before), who arrived prepared to break stuff, confront police, and cause chaos. They were white, older than the youth and families comprising the crowd, masked, and carrying sticks and pipes.
I don’t know police work, but it seems to me that there should be training on how to identify provocateurs, separate them from group, and leave the vast majority of peaceable protesters alone.
Sounds like some of the Boogaloos were present. That's been pretty typical about many of the Floyd protests that far right wing provocateurs have been present on the fringes. Of course, not all the BLM protesters have been peaceful either; looters and arsonists, etc. So, the white supremacists stir it up and the people of color catch the blame.
St. Louis couple say it was 'white people' that caused them concern:
Two attorneys, apparently trying to handle
* potential criminal charges (threatening use of a weapon),
* potential PR fallout for their firm of attorneys, AND
* potential professional discipline by the bar associations they belong to.
Remember “plausible deniability”? It sure looks like Aurora has a serious case of it. From when I did drive along with the Aurora Fire Department, I am very sure I could hear the police radio. So when Mike says he was isolated and unable to know what was happening in the rest of Aurora, I have a serious problem believing that. If the mayor of Aurora is supposed to be unattainable by anyone in the city because he is touring fire stations that means absolute plausible deniability.
He should have been informed that the police were taking on peaceful protesters. He should have been informed that they were attacking.
If he was not then the police went rogue. If he was informed then he should be kicked out of office.
I am so ashamed for my city.