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UPDATED: Global temperature graph now includes preliminary 11-month data from 2010 and a graph of solar output for the last decade.
(as reported by Media Matters who has been reporting on their acquisition of leaked emails from the goons at Fox)
Last year Fox News [sic] reported on the climate talks in Copenhagen. For a brief segment they reported on the factual conclusions from scientists, including the fact that the decade 2000-2009 was the warmest on record.
So far, so good, right?
No. No. NO.
Apparently, reporting facts and letting you decide conflicts with actual corporate policy.
Video and email below.
So here is the brief segment, from Dec. 8, 2009, in which a Faux News correspondent reports a few facts:
Fifteen minutes after airing this segment (indeed, less than 15 minutes later!), Management Goon Bill Sammon sent out this email:
From: Sammon, Bill
To: 169 SPECIAL REPORT; 036 FOX.WHU; 054 FNSunday; 030 Root (FoxNews.Com); 050 Senior Producers; 051 Producers; 069 Politics; 005 Washington
Cc: Clemente, Michael; Stack, John; Wallace, Jay; Smith, Sean
Sent: Tue Dec 08 12:49:51 2009
Subject: Given the controversy over the veracity of climate change data……we should refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question. It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies.
Brilliant! Here’s the babelfish reverse Hebrew via Mandarin Chinese translation of this into plain English:
Don’t report the findings of 99% of the active climate researchers without “qualifying” it by mentioning the CSB* of a few public relations whores in the employ of the Koch brothers and Exxon-Mobil. The task at Faux News is to manufacture controversy where no scientific controversy exists. There’s profits to be had. It’s also one of the few things we are actually quite skilled at, after all.
It’s warming. Get used to it.
(Global surface air temperature anomalies relative to 1951-1980 mean for (a) annual and 5-year running means, and (b) 60-month and 132-month running means. In (a) the 2010 point is a preliminary 11-month anomaly. Green vertical bars are two-standard-deviation error estimates. Hansen et al. Dec. 13, 2010)
Furthermore, the warmest decade in recorded history (2000-2009) occurred during a declining trend in solar activity. Are you paying attention, deniers? Just think what we’re in for by 2013 if solar activity is the driver behind recent observed warming!
As also noted in this and other Media Matters reports, it is apparently OK to state a verifiable lie about climate scientists on Fox News [sic] without providing any factual evidence or counterpoint.
But reporting facts is verboten?
We are so fucked by media corporations and their Kochsucking minions.
(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Breathe 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Breathe 1 2 3 4 Breathe …)
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I’m going to go outside and talk to a wall.
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*CSB or caterwauling shit blizzard: usually reserved to describe a public outburst from soon-to-be-former Sen. Josh Penry, but my hacked version of babelfish deemed it appropriate here.
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.6 degree in a century. What else you got?
then get back to us, OK?
Let me guess. You didn’t do so well in science class, did you?
Why go to ad hominem?
But I am curious. What conclusion would you have me draw from this chart? If we look back 130 years, we have an anomaly of .6 degree from the mean. Do you see something different?
And I say again, so what?
This chart has to convince me that:
1) The underlying data are reliable
2) The climate models can accurately backcast and forecast and…
3) Somehow this increase leads to a tipping point and a meaningful change in climate
Not so q.e.d. Alarmist claims about warming or change or disruption have not proven out.
You have no idea what my education or experience is. I have no idea what your education or experience is. Speak to the issue. That is my interest. What’s yours?
And finally, with all of 6 comments, no one cared about this thread. Why do you think that is?
This graph has to do no such thing. A single graph is insufficient to provide a complete education. So, but asking this of one graph, it suggests to me that you aren’t really very serious.
Besides, no one was making any claims that the graphs were “scary.” I just put them up there as evidence of what practicing and publishing climate scientists have concluded. I apologize if you find this “scary.”
I hesitate to be patronizing, because you are correct, I don’t know your education nor experience. On the other hand, you didn’t hesitate to be a dick even though you do not know my education or experience. Maybe you want to start over?
To clear up one misunderstanding, the graph above shows that average global temperatures have increased nearly 1degC in one century (not 0.6deg – the full range of anomolies is from near -0.4 to +0.6degC)
So, before I go any further, it would be helpful if you cleared up a few issues I have with your questions. I’m not going to get into a game of whack-a-mole or moving goalposts. (Plus, this time of year it’s hard to devote time to COPols when there are more important family events to participate in.)
> What do you need to know in order to conclude the data are reliable? Do you have a priori criteria?
> What would be an accurate backcast/forecast? Do you have a priori criteria?
> Why must there be a tipping point involved? Do you have an a priori definition of “meaningful change in climate?”
I’m sure you don’t need any further clarification, but for anyone else who reads this, I would like to point out that the average annual temperature in Pueblo is just over 1degC warmer than Denver. And that Albuquerque is just over 3degC warmer than Denver. So, every degree warmer in average temperature is equivalent to moving 100-130 miles south. All else being equal, of course.
So far there have been no “alarmist” claims coming from actual practicing scientists. Indeed, their sober and carefully stated conclusions resulted in scientific predictions that underestimated the rate at which Arctic sea ice has declined. Scientific predictions have underestimated the rate of glaciers break up into the ocean around Antarctica. Scientific predictions have underestimated the rate of ocean level rises.
If you know more than all those scientists, please share your knowledge with us.
Perhaps this diary hasn’t gotten many comments, perhaps, because nobody has made any dickish claims that anyone else took seriously. My apologies for ignoring you up until now.
And seriously, quit insulting people you don’t know. What’s the point?
I think that is because most sentient creatures find it hard to disagree with solid scientific data, provided they understand it. I read it, and knowing ardy to be one of the smartest, most well-informed posters here, didn’t see the need to give him an “attaboy”. But since it matters to you:
Well done, as usual, ardy.
Oh…and the other thing:
Critics have also called into question whether Fox News is really a news organization or simply a well financed mouthpiece for the U.S.Chamber of Commerce and the Club for Growth (or whatever the hell their name is now).
And critics can’t be wrong…now can they?
Some dipstick on this diary called into question whether Ardy39 (or Ardy33, or Ardy36, . . . or any of the other Ardys from the fine line of ArdyCo products) knows what he’s talking about — that dipstick remains a dipstick, and Ardyxx prevails.
It’s the non-critical thinkers you have to watch out for. (And with that statement, I now call into question dipstick and his or her ugly information.)
is this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…
The list, it should be pointed out, is incomplete. But out of all the scientists in the world, deniers could only come up with THREE who say that global warming isn’t happening. Two of them are in sciences closely tied to the coal industry (one’s a geologist and one’s a coal chemist). Go figure.
And 2 of those 3 make claims that there’s been no warming since 1998. Which is true only if one denies facts, including such inconvenient ones that 2005 & 2009 were both warmer than 1998 (and that 2010 is forecast to be within hundredths of a degree of the record). And that a line fit to data since 1998 shows an increasing trend!
At least you can rest assured that our new congressman takes climate change seriously…oh, wait…Scott who?…oh, never mind.