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January 14, 2011 12:34 AM UTC

Coffman and Udall Butt Heads

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  • by: Mike Collins

denver and the west

Udall to Congress: United we should sit for Obama’s speech

By Allison Sherry

The Denver Post

WASHINGTON – Sen. Mark Udall urged Republicans and Democrats to sit together in mixed company during the Jan. 25 State of the Union address in hopes of ending “an arrangement that has become a negative symbol of the divisions in Congress.”

“What I’ve been hearing by a number of Democrats is that the heat of the rhetoric over the last two years led to the conduct of a sociopathic killer last Saturday,” said Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colo., who will not sign Udall’s letter. “I completely disagree with that. … I think the American people over the last couple years have the right to be upset over what has gone on.”

Denver Post

http://www.denverpost.com/news…

I see some ambiguity between the denial of cause and the declaration that American people have a right to be upset.  Are sociopaths immune to rhetoric?  Maybe those without AM radio or Fox News.  After all Roger Ailes made a call to tone it down and Sarah Palin started barking way too soon in declaring her victimhood.  

The following quotes don’t meet the parameters of the two years Coffman mentions, but they are noteworthy and I have seen no evidence that these individuals are backing off.  I turned on KOA the night of the speech (yeah, I held my nose and plugged one ear) to see what reaction might be garnered by what I considered a good speech.  Lo and behold, Michael Brown was spewing and agitating.  The quotes:

“I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

– Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

“Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”

– Rep. James Hansen (R-UT), talking about President Clinton

“We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”

– Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95

“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.”

– Ann Coulter, New York Observer, 08-26-02

“We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”

– Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02

“Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past – I’m not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble – recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin’s penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an ‘enemy of the people.’ The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, ‘clan liability.’ In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished ‘to the ninth degree’: that is, everyone in the offender’s own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed.”

– John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01

“Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God’s Law and the disenfranchisement of White men.”

– State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), emailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by the Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01

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6 thoughts on “Coffman and Udall Butt Heads

  1. have a right to be furious “he only represents Republicans”. When a friend called his office, that is exactly what they were told by a staffer.

    1. In hindsight, the title was a bit ambiguous, although not nearly as much as Coffman’s statement. Lesson learned? “Coffman and Udall Clash.”  or “Coffman Misses Opportunity to Sing Kumbaya with Udall”  

  2. … I think the American people over the last couple years have the right to be upset over what has gone on.”

    So Jared Loughner had a right to be upset? I used to have a modicum of respect for Mike Coffman. Gone.

    1. with a bullet (don’t know if that pun is intended or not) on this week’s GOP talking-points hit parade . . .

      LB’s been singing that tune around here for days.

    2. ……..what Coffman is saying, is that “sociopathic killers” don’t have the right to get upset because, we the tax payers, take such good care of the mentally ill and it is mandated that they, under no circumstances, are to listen to right wing talk radio, watch Faux News or heaven forbid, “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.”  TV’s and Radios for the mentally ill, what’s next?  Three hots and a cot?  

      Right wing media is only for those mature and stable who can call in and talk rationally about solutions. I mean, what is call screening for?  Just about every killing spree committed, whether perpetrated by “liberals” or “conservatives” those persons are seriously mentally ill. e.g. Timothy McVeigh. (He thought he had a bug (tracking device) up his ass)  Mental illness is the big problem and not so much the firearms, how are you going to keep firearms out of the hands of 57 million Americans?  Don’t think that mental illness is a huge problem?

      Mental Disorders in America

      Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older -about one in four adults suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.”

      Source:

      http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health

      To be sure, not every person in society has a desire to commit murder. Murderous impulses occur only to a very small percentage of the population, to those who are sufficiently jealous, angry, drunk, drugged, insane, irrational, pathological, self-destructive or deceived enough to seriously contemplate killing someone. Some people may be only temporarily afflicted; others much more permanently. The more permanently ones we see as repeat offenders in our criminal justice system. How many people entertain an urge to kill in society varies; perhaps one country sees only 0.5 percent of its population in this state of mind over the course of a year, while another country sees only .001 percent. The difference can be attributed to social factors, like the availability of mental health treatment, substance-abuse programs, family counseling, poverty, media violence, racial tensions and hostilities, or any of countless other imaginable factors that contribute to the murderous impulse.

      Some social factors appear to have enormous impact on violent crime. Two social factors in particular have been getting increased attention from researchers lately; the first is media violence. Many sociologists do not consider it an accident that the crime wave that hit America in the 60s and 70s coincided with the first television generation coming of age. Dr. Brandon Centerwall has produced one of the most famous studies, which found that the mere introduction of television into a region causes its crime rate to double as soon as the first television generation comes of age. (1) In a 22-year study of 800 children from grade 2 to early adulthood, Leonard Eron and Rowell Huesmann found that the best predictor of later aggression was a heavy childhood diet of TV violence — more so than poverty, grades, a single parent in the home or exposure to real violence. (2)

      The second is income inequality. Although absolute poverty levels do not correlate too significantly with the crime rate, income inequality does (oddly enough). Two separate studies, one from Harvard, the other from Berkeley, compared state crime rates to their income inequality rates, and found that the states with the most inequality had the highest rates of homicide, violent crime and incarceration. This correlation holds internationally as well; Europe has much lower levels of inequality than the U.S., and much lower violent crime rates as well. In the U.S., the rising murder rate has accompanied a rising level of income inequality. In 1968, the Gini index of income inequality was a record low .348; by 1994, it had risen to .426, the highest level since the Great Depression.

      Source:

      http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/…  

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