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Ah, the Catholic church. Spreading hate and death for centuries. Nice to see the tradition continues
Will they throw out ALL of the pro-choice Catholics because that will really thin the herd.
Some pro-choice Catholics have already left.
Sincerely, Recovering Catholic (worse than alcoholism or nicotine addiction)
Have they taken a position on ACB? Roberts? Didn’t they both reject the last minute plea for a stay on yesterday’s execution?
Chaput, Aquila, and their like are "pro-life" only when it involves controlling young female bodies.
Not exclusively. Some of them are more interested in young male bodies.
@R & R: good point !!
News update for Sam Aquila: keep your religion out of peoples' bedrooms, unless they agree to your presence.
I have to say it bluntly. Sorry.
Who gives a crap about what the Catholic Church says about morality? Listening to the proselytizing of an institution that has tolerated and maybe even encouraged the sexual abuse of thousands and thousands of children is like listening to a serial bank robber rhapsodize about the virtues of property rights.
Hypocrites.
You had better “give a crap.” You have a living will that says pull the plug if no hope of recovery. You think a Catholic owned or managed facility will honor your legal document, or will Church doctrine overrule the law?
Also consider a woman who has just delivered her third baby and wants her tubes tied. Will a Catholic hospital honor her wishes, or will Church “ethics guidelines” come into play? What if that Catholic hospital is the only facility for miles around and the family doesn’t have a ton of money, or available time off work, to go traveling cross country?
Better think about it.
You're right that we need to care about what our hospital's ethics guidelines are. It turns out that almost all of the Denver metro hospitals are controlled by Catholics. So that's St Joseph, Exempla, Centura, Lutheran, etc. And they have this Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services that limits reproductive and end-of-life care, as you said. HealthOne is another huge umbrella hospital organization – my quick check at Rose and Swedish found no reproductive care offered, although they have a phone number for "women's care".
It's probably that they just don't want to list the a-word (abortion) in their services, or even contraception, in case the fundamentalist crazies decide to picket or bomb them. Right to Life! Yay.
Kaiser, which is my provider, is an exception – they do offer reproductive care, including abortion. So is CU/Anschutz, Children's, Spalding, the VA Medical Center, most teaching hospitals. It's definitely worth researching what your hospital's policies are, particularly if you have family of reproductive age, or someone who may need end of life care.
All that said, CHB, your tone is a little off-putting. I've been marching and organizing for abortion since before Roe V Wade. To get lectured about "I'd better give a crap" by an old conservative man is condescending, to say the least. I know there are others on here who are activists – Jason Salzman, for one, Dr. DaftPunk, probably others.
I was responding to Not Hopeful. Will change the wording to “You.”
Those who might lump all “old conservatives” together might remember that Barry Goldwater was pro-choice.
You forget….
No matter to whom you address your comment, it is always about kwtree.
Always
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to hear it, it is still about kwtree!
I won't be going to a Catholic hospital. Those who do should consider themselves warned that clerics will deny them the freedom to make their own healthcare decisions.
Given the extremist right-wing SCOTUS we have now, which thinks "freedom of religion" means churches can do whatever they want notwithstanding the law, I am not hopeful that legislation to prevent this behavior will stand up.
Right, Not-hopeful. That’s a large part of why I picked Kaiser- they still offer contraception, abortion, and patient-centered end of life care. It’s unconscionable that common procedures people need ( sterilization, birth control, abortion) and drastic ones like medically assisted death for terminally ill patients, are made unavailable to patients by these Catholic “ethics” boards , in most cases without prior warning.
In the months we have left to endure COVID19 exponiential growth, everyone should get their medical directives done and find out what hospital policies are.
I think I’d look to Degette, some of our senior Senators, and incoming Veep Harris for leadership on the issue of rebuilding wall between church and state on health care decisions. We’re not going to win in SCOTUS, and might lose ground. Legislative and Executive branches are the way to go.
Anyone wanna' bet on whether these goofs would refuse a wafer to Ttump???
Trump was talking once about getting little white cracker.
Bill Maher was confused and thought he was talking about Jeff Sessions.
There was a time when they refused communion to lefties! There are two camps in the Church – I'm on the Papa Frank bus – and like CHB with his devotion to the GOP, I decided *not* leaving and being the uncomfortable voice in the room works best for me. Hope springs eternal at St. Andrews.
"what should be his highest priority: making sure Catholic priests aren’t molesting Colorado’s kids."
No. The priority of the entire upper tiers of the Roman Catholic Church is enrich themselves.
The old men in skirts deserve being ignored, if not jailed.
Can we lock them up and then ignore them?
Asking for a friend who is a lapsed Catholic.
And speaking of the old men in skirts, I’m reminded of the story of Tallulah Bankhead running into Francis Cardinal Spellman at high mass in St. Patrick’s Cathedral. “Franny, your drag is divine but your beaded purse is on fire!”
Thanks, R&R. I hadn't heard that one before.
I'm a recovering Catholic myself, with the scars to prove it.
We had a family member who was the Vicar at St Johns Cathedral in the 90’s. Barry was openly gay and had a warm relationship with Chaput during that period before he tragically succumbed to an aggressive form of brain cancer. Chaput’s public rhetoric on homosexuality and his private relationship with Barry were not aligned in any sense.
In a diseased, twisted sort of way, it's almost charming that an organization with a centuries-old history of tolerating (arguably condoning) child rape and actively shielding child rapists from secular authorities thinks it has any moral authority whatsoever. The world would be a substantially better place if Holy Mother Church dried up and blew away.