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February 20, 2011 08:32 AM UTC

Will the DPS Recall Succeed?

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  • by: droll

Gilpin Guy asked an interesting question tonight about the chances of the big DPS recall succeeding. Because recalls are so rare in politics I think it’s incredibly difficult to say. In this case two things should be taken into account; is the recall justified on its face and does that matter.

The first bit, justification, is an easy enough answer. No. It’s not. The reason put forth by McBride in the petition is just not based in a reality anyone can function in.

Does it matter? I recently asked dwyer about justifications for a recall. Dwyer basically said that buyer’s remorse is a good enough reason. While I don’t agree with the use, it’s a fair enough answer. We are entitled to use the process and there doesn’t have to legally be a “reason” other than folks just want the official out of office.

Easley did, I suppose, run on a different side than he rules on. DPS is certainly in trouble. Taking out crap from groups the average voter will never really know about in a meaningful way (DD, Bennet- Romanoff- whatevers, concern trolls, unions, etc.) will a relatively low profile ballot question end up being a referendum on DPS, or actually be about Easley? I suspect the former, in which case the recall will probably be successful.

I know this should be at DenverPols, but I don’t remember which email I signed up with, let alone a password.

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  1. I have been doing my research trying to figure out why people hate Nate Easley so much. He seems like a nice guy.

    I ran across this article which I think explains the energy, rage, and frustrations behind DeFENSE Denver. It might shed some light for the rest of us who are not public school teachers.

    As I’ve said before, nothing excuses the behavior of the fake newspaper guy who made threats against MOTR, and the other crazier folks who make the group look bad. There are some good teachers with valid points, though, probably (too bad for them the crazy ones are ruining their group). They would gain more credibility to run with a saner crowd, perhaps.

    My guess is they hate Nate Easley for the same reason they hate Arne Duncan, Michael Bennet, Terrance Carroll, Mike Johnston, etc. — they are all education reformers.

    Here’s the article: http://www.edwize.org/who-are-

    BTW, I’m defending anyone. I’m just trying to understand how this became a war. I am soooo not into the war thing.

    1. Correctly or not, people feel that “reform” is an automatic slight against the teacher. Like people are saying, categorically, that they can’t do their job.

      The sane teachers should get together and come up with a plan based on what they experience, rather than the all or nothing either side of the Board comes up with.

      Who knows the classes and the children in them better? Every classroom, every child, is different, so the options have to allow differences. For some reason neither “side” wants to talk about it. It’s more like, “This is what we’re doing. Fuck off.”

      Human nature, IMO, makes people do that. If someone pushes, a person pushes back. So the original pusher pushes even harder, creating a war of two ideals. Hopefully there’s an adult in the room to stop it. In the case of DPS, hopefully there will be an adult in the future.

      FWIW, I think both sides are kind of wrong. I have an issue with pants on fire behavior though. That’s how the minority side has allowed themselves act. Flaming pants off; big girl panties on. Please.

    1. 40% of the original votes (obviously not necessarily from the original voters) are needed as signatures to even land this on the ballot*. If that happens do you make the recall a trial, or do you run on your record, which in this case is opposite of what many of your original supporters wanted?

      *That just happens to be the number needed. It’s not actually related to the number of votes cast in the election he won.

          1. I have a lot of respect for Craig. I imagine he doesn’t come cheap after pulling off a Dem win during a Rep sweep year. Who’s paying for it? Is Nate a wealthy guy? I’m not suggesting anything — I really have no idea. Who are the players in this big DPS drama?

    2. could be as simple as, “Remember the most recent Presidential State of the Union address — when Mr. Obama singled out the remarkable turnaround success at Denver’s Bruce Randolph School?  You’re welcome.  Why would anyone who cares about Denver’s schools want to change that back?”

      That may not be 100% accurate, but it will have an impact and resonate with more voters than any of the publicity that DD/FOE/Merida campaign could ever hope to generate.

    1. supported him. Did you think I meant voters? As if!

      In any event, some honesty from the initial act would’ve been nice. Maybe his voters are unhappy. I don’t know, Merida is my… mem… ber. Embarrassment.

  2. He’s got corporate backing from mystery sources with BIG money and power. Obviously.

    In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to later learn that Easley started the recall move himself. Or had it started.   This way he could draw out his political opposition in a way that makes him look sympathetic.  But it motivates the community. Or shuts them out. Something.

    Either way, win or lose, regarding the recall Easley gets whatever he wants.  In the bigger picture Easley clearly wants DPS to fail. It’s not clear to me why or how, but that much is obvious.  If on;y the DPS Board minority could take over some how.

    I’m sure this recall is not that kind of raw power play where winning a regular election is too hard so winning a special election with all kinds of big claims and chanting and even guest speakers and still no fund raising … it can’t be that.  

    All kidding aside – what we need is to pray for everyone involved in DPS.  That way, whatever happens it was what G*d wanted.

    1. I forgot. That’s probably because I clearly do hate them, according to DD, as evidenced by my non-support of liars.

      Kids – If they were so smart we wouldn’t be in this mess. (Fuckers) (I prayed right before writing this)

      1. I get that in the modern political sport demonizing the opposition is accepted and expected.

        But that gets weird in contentious school board campaigns because it’s hard to acknowledge in an adult way that the opponent wants whats best for kids, values the education of our future generations etc and so ….but is just wrong aobut how to get there

        Instead it boils down to the opposition eats small kittens and hates kids.

    1. except for the signature requirement. In this case it’s 40% (I don’t know what I was going for at the top) of the voters in the last election for this office. In Easley’s district, he was the last one.

      After the signatures are verified there must be a call for election. In this case the timing works for the regular Denver election (with the mayor race).

      The ballot will have the recall and new election at the same time, but to choose the successor you have to vote on the question to recall. You may not abstain from the recall question and have your vote counted for Easley’s neighbor.

      So first question (must be answered): Should Nate Easley be recalled? And they have to list why. In this case the filer is readily admitting to being ready to flat out lie to voters for the sake of winning.

      Second: Who should be the new member?

      The candidates for the new member have to find a place on the ballot the same as Easley did. Easley himself cannot be an option for a replacement. It’s also worth pointing out that if the recall fails, it cannot be brought again with a much larger signature requirement.

      CRS Title 1, Article 12 is where you need to go for more information. The articles are set in chronological order.

      http://www.michie.com/colorado

      Anyone with a more real life understanding should feel free to jump in. No offense will be taken. As I’ve said before, I’ve never seen a recall on a ballot.

      1. The hardest part of any recall is getting it on the ballot. The signature requirement is purposefully high to discourage recall attempts for frivolous reasons.

        If I did my math right, 5364 valid signatures are needed to get this on the ballot. Furthermore, they need to be collected from registered voters in Easley’s district which is rougly north of Colfax and east of downtown. AND there is a short time limit: 60 days to get the signatures. That’s a tall order to fill.

        As for the timing, I do not see how it could be on the May 3rd municipal ballot. The ballot content for that election has to be certified by March 11th and the recall folks have until March 29th to get their signatures.

        If there is a city-wide run-off (and there probably will be for Mayor), it could possibly go on the run-off ballot in June, but I am not 100% sure of the legality of that. Otherwise, we would be looking at a special election, which would be expensive.

            1. What DPS student wouldn’t gladly sacrifice a proper education for the recall of Nate Easley ?  We need resources, time and money spent towards politics and personal vendettas FIRST.

              (end snark)

        1. *[new] Correction.

          The district doesn’t pay for this.  I think you missed when we told you before.

          Should enough petitions be gathered, it will simply appear on the May ballot with all the council and mayor candidates.

          There are no added expenditures to anyone’s budget except the recall committee, who of course has to file above a certain dollar amount.

          by: DefenseDenver @ Fri Feb 04, 2011 at 16:51:18 PM MST

          According to comments from them on potential cost to the school district, there is none because it will be on the May ballot.

          Your comment suggests otherwise due to certification timing.

          Which is it, in your opinion?

          1. I’m not speaking for Dan W –  experience has shown he knows more about this stuff than I. Way more.

            However –  which is it is easily answered. Defense Denver is either poorly informed, which would not be surprising for a self described “rag tag bunch of parents and community members.”  Or they are lying – which would also not be surprising for a group that first said, emphatically and repeatedly that they were not affiliated with John McBride, filer of the recall, and now acknowledges he’s one of their team leads, namely their media contact.

            1. Dan is right. Certification of the ballot is March 11th; ballots go out on the 18th of March to overseas military personnel.

              Clerk’s office is closed today because of President’s Day so I’ll call tomorrow to confirm if perhaps a recall attempt could be piggybacked onto the June runoff for mayor (if a runoff occurs.)

              If Dan is wrong, I’ll be happy to hear it because DPS cannot afford to pay for a recall. When the attempt to recall Merida came up, conservative estimates for a special election ranged from $150K to $500K. The last thing DPS needs is that kind of financial hit, considering the poor shape that district is in from numerous financial cuts to K-12.  

              1. March 29th is the deadline to turn in petitions, but there is nothing to stop the proponents from turning in early. If they turned them in this week, they could be certified in time for the May election.

                However, there is also the issue of the replacement canddiates needing to get their 50 signatures to get on the ballot. I did fomd anything in statute that defined when they can collect signatures, but it may be worth a second look.

                I say this is unlikely because it would mean that all 5300+ signatures for the recall would have been collected is about a month. Such a task is difficult with the full 2 months, I would say nearly impossible in a month.

                    1. I don’t know the exact financial arrangement.

                      However, if the recall happens along with another county-wide election such as a run-off for mayor, there should be no additional cost because every precinct is a different ballot style anyway.

                      The only additional cost in that case will be any extra worker that may be needed to verify those petitions.

                1. Is that right and is it always needed? If so, the signatures would have to be certified by like Thursday. Of this week.

                  I, stupidly, trusted DD’s word on this based on the same comment MotR posted. I’m going with a big bunch of liars being the answer to what happened there.

                  Are they going out of their way to make sure everyone hates them? dwyer may be right, Wadhams is fucking with us! No legitimate group could be so diabolical outside of Disney movie. In which case, they should be required to wear black hats.

                1. the research I did showed it would be paid for by DPS funds since it is a special election specifically being called for a school board recall. County oversees it and all paperwork goes through them.

                  In other words, RedGreen is right, as usual.  

                2. that if it goes on the May ballot, I don’t think there’s any special cost or burden on the school district because it’s not a special election and they can piggyback on that.

                  I’ll find out tomorrow and post an update since several of us are asking and none of us are 100% sure.  

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