Not a Colorado politics story in itself, but we know a similar thought has occurred to a few of you–Los Angeles Times:
The 51st state should be named South California, says Jeff Stone, a Republican on the the Riverside County Board of Supervisors. But the proposed 13 southern California counties that would split off from the Golden State would not include Los Angeles.
Stone told the Times’ Phil Willon that the omission is intentional and is part of a plan that would make for a new conservative Californian state.
“Los Angeles is purposely excluded because they have the same liberal policies that Sacramento does. The last thing I want to do is create a state that’s a carbon copy of what we have now,” Stone said…
Eleven of the 13 proposed counties in South California traditionally vote Republican, a fact noticed by California Gov. Jerry Brown’s office.
“If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there’s a place called Arizona,” Brown spokesman Gil Duran said. [Pols emphasis]
“West Colorado,” anyone? Pitkin County could be the token Democrats! Or, maybe Mesa County just secedes…into Utah! Local fancies aside, you’ve got to admire a Southern California Republican who wants to secede but leave Los Angeles out of the new ultra-red “South California”–ambitious, even if it would be a little like New York State seceding from the city.
On the other hand, with the possible (and likely temporary) exception of San Diego and Orange County, “South California” would look a lot like Arkansas with palm trees.
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Can you imagine upper basin states running a Colorado River compact with South California?
about Texas and Arizona but…sigh… I don’t think anyone is going anywhere. The chances for secession or new states broken out of old ones are right up there with monkeys flyng out of…you get the picture.
has a nice income tax that applies to out of state workers.
A hypocritical conservative enclave dependent on federal military spending and subsidized water projects.
connected with the government. Funding military… good as long as it doesn’t involve pesky taxes. Funding government and pesky taxes…always bad. Where they think the funding to “support the troops” is supposed to come from is a mystery they don’t care to look into.
San Diego is also a big military, small government (don’t ask how you can be both at once) GOP town. And speaking of military, it gets harder and harder to understand why they continue to skew so strongly Republican considering that the that the GOP treats them like toilet paper when the photo ops are over. They only vote for funding for planes and weapons systems, generally obsolete or redundant, that their friends can make big money with, always against any funds to benefit real live troops or vets.
Another mystery. The people the GOP screws the most vote for them. Go figure.
Obama has been screwing the left since he took office. Or am I reading Daily Kos wrong?
The Republican’t party has been ruthlessly screwing the military and veterans for over ten years. I don’t see why they would stop now.
Please demonstrate that it is untrue that, during the Bush years while fighting two unfunded wars, legislation to increase funding for the benefit of active troops and vets was not introduced by Dems and routinely defeated along party strict party lines by Rs who claimed we couldn’t afford it while fighting tooth and nail for protecting the wealthy from any loss of any tax cut, loophole or break. Show your work.
Got my negatives tangled
As soon as you “prove” that Obama fought for the public option.
Conservatives in CA have to contend with either San Francisco or Hollywood. It’s simple geography.
But I don’t blame the guy for trying! What a depressing state to live in if you’re not a socialist. And needless to say, socialists are always depressed.
I am well known as a jovial and engaging person. Jolly, if you will!
delusional, heartless individual who could not find a clue if it was planted up your nose.
You all know I just love to “project” right at them, albeit with facts like $278,000 per job saved or created.
Say, anyone have a split out of the private:government ratio on the 2.4 million jobs that Obama purportedly created or saved?
Any bitter, hate drive or angry responses need not be made.
enough for it to become a “fact” yet, Libby.
Maybe 2 or 3 dozen more times.
What a cute new meme: projection. I suppose we’ll get this every time from now on when we ask for concrete back up to any point. “Projection” must mean, “We’ve got nothing”, as usual.
It means you display the behavior you accuse others of displaying. It happens a lot on the left.
Just saying.
like Denmark tend to be happier and live longer because of the intact social safety net.
Don’t let pesky little facts get in the way of your delusions though.
First off – this is never going to happen
Second – even if this did happen, “Southern California” would become a blue state FAST – San Diego is going our way, and Orange County is becoming Democrat, mostly due to the influx of minorities (in addition – I’ll take a minor amount of credit for making the OC blue)
Adding two more Democratic Senators to Washington?
Fine by me 🙂
Every State is entitled to 2 Senators
(FYI all – if SoCal becomes it’s own State, I’m totally running for Governor here – hopefully Jerry Brown will mentor me)
🙂
And, I’m going to include you, you, and you. But not you, you, and definitely not you.
You are exactly right. This issue is reflective of a larger issue we’re witnessing in all its ugliness. Me and mine will get ours, and screw the rest of you. Quite the unAmerican attitude.
What’s up, you been reading his fictional theory book again? What was it’s title … Oh yeah Open Society
The only state that legally could split up is Texas. It is written into the statehood documents that were approved by Congress. As a matter of fat, those documents state that Texas can divide into as many as five new states. However, this is an academic exercise as all new states would have to by the Congress, and I doubt that would ever happen again.
They would have to be approved by the Congress.
New states have been formed any number of times in the history of the United States, and could do so again.
The trick is that everytime a new state is created, it threatens to upset the balance of power in the U.s. Senate (the impact on electoral votes is trivial and for Congressional seats it is only a matter of rounding errors and permanent partial district boundary drawing).
Any deal that redraws state lines and keeps the balance of power in the U.S. Senate the same, either by splitting a state that is currently divided in its representation and is fundamentally competitive, or by tying the creation of a new conservative state to a new liberal state, or by transferring territory from one state to another in a way the better reflects true partisan divides (e.g. transferring Eastern Washington State to Idaho, or most of the territory of D.C. to Maryland), is well within the realm of the politically possible.
too big and that its state constitution is an utter, ungovernable mess after the cauldron of ballot initiatives that it has been subjected to.
But, a Southern California without Los Angeles is ridiculous. LA is practically synonomous with SoCal.
The Democrats will allow that, when you allow NY to be split into 6 states, the five boroughs of NYC and up-state. This game can be played forever. Give Mesa County to Utah, you bet, it doesn’t aded to the number of states or change the political balance3 (except the remainder of Colorado gets more blue). Have TExas Succeed, even I’d vote for that, what a wasteland of nothingness. If I got one place to target a nuclear weapon, it would be Texas. But new states, well I guess this whole web-site is just parlor games anyway, so enjoy yourselves.