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October 31, 2011 10:14 PM UTC
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that brought complaints against Cain. A little detail that we should just overlook ’cause clearly there’s nothing to see here. No siree, Bob.
Clearly, as CEO, he would not be notified of these settlements. That’s totally believable that the CEO that the allegations are being brought against would not be informed that tens of thousands of dollars were being paid out to the complainants. How could anyone doubt poor Mr. Cain here?
because they are responsible for all aspects of the company and its performance! Except for the payola for the employees they’re trying to fuck, that’s for rogue interns to handle.
This is all just happening because according to Cain’s campaign, he’s so awesome and we fear the mighty power of the message he’s bringing the sweaty masses.
And it’s all the media and liberals (I guess they are one and the same according to the press release) fault.
That would be those liberals also running for the GOP nomination, right?
that are members of the Restaurant Association.
It’s a giant conspiracy, I tell ya…
implausible deniability is a perfect measure of character for a POTUS candidate.
Between these assertions and his election finance shenanigans it looks like Herminator is making enemies fast on the tightie rightie side.
I just love that asshole Cain’s judgment and character are revealed as he claims to have NO knowledge that 2 front office NAR employees being bought off & moved out just for spurious claims — he must have had a helluva lot of trust in his HR dept & the assoc lawyers.
If they were allegations from people who had never brought up the harassment at the time, suddenly coming out of the woodwork now that he’s running for President, they would have little merit–not that a legitimate report couldn’t surface for the first time today, but it would be very hard to investigate.
In this case, the specific allegation involves multiple settlements. One would think that the NRA would not want to be tarred with that brush and look as if it protected a CEO who harassed women. If the settlements never happened, the NRA will likely speak out to that effect, with documentation, as soon as its lawyers have cleared a spokesperson to do so.
If they refuse to discuss it… well, then, Cain might have a problem. I mean, another problem, besides being completely unqualified for any elected position, not to mention an ignorant bigot.
Cain’s defense is that the NRA (not the one with the rifles, we hope) settled the claims without him knowing about them, not that settlement offers weren’t made.
1. Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill all over again
2. Democrat-controlled media will do anything to stop the Cainanator.
Surprised that A-GOP and company aren’t already here espousing it.
Interesting Slate article on why that argument is flawed:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/wei…
3. “Innocent until proven guilty” does not apply to Republicans. At least not on this blog.
because I actually believe you are fairy savvy when it comes to political machinations within campaigns.
This isn’t about his guilt or innocence. It’s about his responses to the allegations, which up to this point have been pathetic. Initially, after he left Face the Nation yesterday, he wouldn’t even respond to questions. His campaign’s response has been half assed and the message has varied throughout the day in response to a well researched article.
If he has nothing to fear, then he needs to stop pretending he “vaguely recalls” something about this and then doesn’t remember hearing about two settlements that were in the 5 figure range.
He was the CEO as well as the accused, for God’s sake. Are you really, with a straight face, telling me you buy his response thus far?
“Slam” a man with scurrilous allegations, then microscope every word of response to produce the “pathetic” sturm and drang you’re looking for. “Well researched?” Why are there no details then?
You’re right that I understand campaigns and politics, and I’ve watched this kind of baseless character assassination happen repeatedly on the campaign trail. It was done to Ken Buck, for example. I understand how it works well enough to be thoroughly disgusted.
One more thing: I don’t support Cain, and I’ve made that clear over and over. But I don’t appreciate your side’s dirty tactics.
dirty tactics, sob, sniffle, they’re so hurtful.
You’re funny.
Because the settlements are covered by non-disclosure agreements, and the NRA is not a public entity subject to FOIA requests.
It was the Romney campaign that nuked Cain just like Clinton dug up the Akers angle against Obama.
Don’t be such a gullible asshole and admit where the dirty vetting came from. It was your camp all the way. They don’t play nice in a Republican primary.
He’s a plant on a mission, not someone out to engage in honest debate.
I’m going with another candidate. Its a GOP firing squad, we’re just the spectators. So if by ‘your sides’ you mean Karl & Co. you may be on to something.
But now Cain is acknowledging he knew about one of the settlements.
But you should be happy that your GOP oppo team is so effective. The guy no one really wants to win the nomination is sitting pretty as one after another of the ‘anyone but Mittens’ hopefuls self-immolates.
there are strong suggestions that the nefarious folks whispering this dirt are Parry folk. That would be YOUR side. Why the fuck would any Dem would be dishing on Herman now? We’re honestly not taking him serious and based on campaign finance shenanigans and his ongoing re-remembering of this emerging story who will benefit?
Your purported knowledge of political machinations is friggin’ laughable if you think a Dem leaked — this is backroom TX mudslinging. Who has motive? Who will benefit from Hermie’s demise?
Parry’s backers got a lotta favor paybacks coming their way for their uas-of-today investment and they’ll play dirty given the chance.
Methinks “spurious” is the word you’re looking to paste on these allegations and I’d suggest you save your disgust for your own ilk. These are GOP dirty tricks and you have yourselves to thank …
CoPols is government now? I hope that means the checks finally start rolling in. A lot of folks here have certainly invested enough time to earn them.
But what are we going to do about that “hot butt sex” person who was banned? Blantant violation of its right to free speech. Shabby, Pols, shabby.
You know that whole “Penalty Box” is just for fun, right? They don’t actually come to get you, force you into a nice warm straitjacket… No matter what those nasty voices tell you.
Means it wasn’t very serious, or it would have been six figures. And it’s absolutely the kind of thing that could be relegated to the legal department, and the CEO kept out of it for liability and public image reasons.
I wasn’t there, I don’t know, but you weren’t either.
… but you comment anyway.
Sorry bub, but you spread rumors and treat innuendo as fact all the time – who is it you like to say is Occupy Denver’s spokesman? You’re not getting to be Mr. Skeptic now.
Have you looked to see who the #1 user of the #occupydenver Twitter tag is? Why don’t you do that and get back to me.
then beej was Palin’s Colorado campaign manager.
Try, try again (and maybe answer some other questions I pose to you, like this one, or this one, or this one.)
I think I’m officially now Ed Perlmutter’s right hand woman with how often I mention my adoration for him here and on Twitter.
I won’t hold my breath waiting to find out about my hours and salary…
were in the low five figure category ($10,000 to $20,000) then they were nuisance settlements just to get the cases over with. We don’t know since nothing has (or can’t be) released but I’ve handle a lot of employment discrimination cases and if the settlements are in the range mentioned above then the cases against Mr. Cain probably didn’t amount to much. We’ll have to wait and see.
This seems like a silly kind of argument.
If the woman was an executive, the settlement would have been in the six figures. If the woman was a minimum-wage receptionist, it would have been five figures. The point is to give whatever will make it worthwhile for her not to sue, and that depends on her current position and career prospects.
if the case is nothing more than a nuisance case then it doesn’t matter what position the employee holds. I’ve handled cases where executives were the complaining party but once the facts were on the table there wasn’t anything there and they settled in the low five figures. The particular facts of each case will dramatically impact a settlement. We don’t know what will be revealed about Mr. Cain yet so we will have to wait and see.
which I think reinforces my point. Hard to say though.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new…
Looks like things are going downhill for Mr. Cain.
I’m on fire today, boys and girls! 🙂
for such diligent denials?
Three posts on one diary too. You really must be on fire with courage today. No spreading your usual manure and then running away.
When you find someone on the left saying something you agree with, admit it. Who knows, you might find you like being open minded.
Only $35k, according to reports coming out Tuesday, but it was apparently 1 year’s salary for the lady in question, which isn’t a “nothing” settlement.
It is not uncommon for a large corporation to settle rather than drag it out, even if the accused is innocent. There’s a reason that part of the settlement included both complainants not be allowed to speak publicly about the incidents. What that reason may be is utter speculation of which there will be no short supply of, I’m sure.
Is he innocent? Is he guilty? Who knows, other than Cain? But the bottom line is his campaign’s response to this so far is horrible. It’s top news everywhere. If Cain wants the whole thing to go away, the current way he’s handling it is producing the exact opposite result.
I guess nobody on the GOP side learned a damn thing from the John Edwards debacle.
but I’m also aware that few cases like this are spurious; I’m aware that the court of public opinion doesn’t operate like the court of law; and I’m aware that the most likely source of this story is a Republican, and our GOP operative buddy is doing his part to spread disinformation that those dastardly liberals are at it again – even though there’s nothing for any Democrat to gain from sinking Cain’s candidacy at this point.
Conservatives would stroke out having to vote between two black men. It’s voter suppression via natural selection. Democrats have a vested interest in keeping Pizza Man front and center as a likely Republican nominee.
I’m thinking now it was the Romney campaign because they know their man will look good next to Perry.
is a legal concept that defines the burden of the prosecution in a criminal case. Defendants are not required to prove their innocence, but once the prosecution has brought forth a scintilla of evidence of guilt the presumption evaporates.
It should be obvious that it does not mean much more–if it did, there could be no such thing as arrest or pre-trial detention, as either represents a real deprivation of liberty without guilt being established.
Further, it is hardly a useful principle outside of the legal arena. Quite obviously, most people make judgments on other’s behavior that falls far short of conviction–whether formally or not. Particularly in important matters–such as who one dates, marries, or votes for–there is rarely a presumption of innocence. Instead, we look for a reason to date, marry or vote–not merely the absence of a reason not to.
In this case, credible sources indicate that Cain’s former employer settled harassment claims, and Cain (and his campaign) have equivocated in their denials. Whereas a baseline judgment might be that, in the absence of any evidence tothe contrary, Cain had not harrassed anyone, the evidence is sufficent to wipe away that baseline judgment.
I think Mr. Cain ought to be given the opportunity to explain.
Because when you’re explaining, you’re losing.
And I’m unaffiliated.
I don’t think you’ll find a Democrat in the world who doesn’t want Cain to be given every opportunity to explain.
For that matter, I don’t think you’ll find a Democrat in the world who doesn’t want Cain to be the candidate.
I’d be looking at Republican opponents to make your “innocent until proven guilty” argument.
I’m glad that Obama got vetted last time. No dirty laundry to air out on him this time.
The Republicans? Not so much.
The juicy stuff is probably still out there, waiting for the nuke order from the handlers of a losing candidate.
hell, he now wants to see Obama’s grades (which would just be more embarrasment for the Aggie cheerleader that flunked his college civics course).
And of course Parry would love for everyone to shine them lights anywhere other than on his slimy TX pay-2-play ass. Anyone with 15 mins of time and just a bit suspect of Parry ought to read Matt Taibbi’s Rick Perry: The Best Little Whore In Texas
Don’t worry GOoP, I hear Fred Thompson is being awakened.
Fred Thompson’s being reanimated.
Your version implies that Thompson was previously animated.
I concede.
Herman Cain is no different than Donald Trump who’s no different than Sarah Palin who’s no different than Michelle Bachmann who’s no different than Gary Johnson who’s no different than….
i.e., a bunch of clowns who have absolutely no chance of being president.
I mean it’s like they have a stage full of Mike Gravels.
Wasting our time on candidates like Cain is just that.
We need to focus: We have multiple Romneys to prepare for.
but he should not be lumped with the idiots and clowns anymore than Huntsman