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June 09, 2022 06:58 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Hypocrisy is the outside of cynicism.”

–Mason Cooley

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  1. Anyone watch CD3 League of Women Voters virtual town hall last evening?  Boobert really stands out among the crowd as deplorable…..HRC was right. ANY of her challengers would be a super leap up for CD3.  Coram only realistic alternative via primary to boot out Boobert.   UNAFFILIATED RISE UP.  

    Thanks to Sol, Don, Alex, Adam for being human and willing to step up!  

  2. Wait there's more, new audio confirming Qbert tweets during insurrection event 1/6/21.  

    New audio: Republican confronted Boebert over January 6 tweets

    Don Lemon Tonight

    Newly released audio from New York Times reporters Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns captures Washington Republican Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler confronting fellow Republican from Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert about tweets she sent during the January 6 attack.

    Source: CNN

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/06/09/jaime-herrera-beutler-lauren-boebert-january-6-tweets-sot-dlt-vpx.cnn

  3. Since the Democrat assassin used a car to attempt to kill a Supreme Court Justice, it’s obvious that cars can not be possessed by citizens, least that try to kill politicians and government officials. 

          1. You are in good company. The recent survey by the Seventeen Nobel Laureate economist, shows that Democrat assassins prefer electric vehicles.

    2. Pear, we seem to be reading different accounts. I read the dude arrived in a taxi at 1:30 AM. Then he called 911 on himself, after being seen by two U.S. Marshals.

      So, he was going to use the taxi driver's cab to kill Kavanaugh? How would he accomplish that?

      1. I read he drove from CA. But either way a car was used in the attempted assassination. So using liberal logic cars must be banned. The legislators with have to weigh in on SUV’s and trucks culpability in this heinous plot. Perhaps Mothers Against Assassins Using Cars, will have something to say.

          1. Kinda hard for Pfruit to understand the Rule of Holes when he has a big hole inside his head.  Though, that hole is better characterized as a void.

        1. Guns are used to kill people, and a guy used a car to try to kill Kavanaugh, so it naturally follows… No, it doesn't.

          Any attempt to distract from the real issue at hand. 

    3. Jesus, could you possibly be any more lame or inane?

      Weak, weak sauce, Fruit Bat.

      I do find your masochism remarkable though. Your role as one of two regular objects of derision here is well-earned. Have you noticed no one even bothers attempting to debate your crackpot lies and conspiracy theories, bothsiderism horseshit and laughable obfuscations any more?

      Read the room, Einstein. You’re a laughingstock and a fool.

      All that said, if it weren’t for your awesome dogs, I wouldn’t like you nearly as much as I do.

  4. Good commentary by Josh Marshall at TPM on Mass Terror Shootings

    50,000 gun deaths a year. Most are suicides. By Mass Terror shootings, Josh means that the goal is fear and terror or else directed at targeted groups (jews, blacks, etc).

    From one perspective, racist or anti-Semitic or misogynistic attacks are in a different category from the more random school shootings that don’t seem to have any clear purpose or ideological agenda. They are certainly different to the targeted groups. But I would argue that the commonality is greater than the differences. They are all massacres as spectacle and terror. And it is these crimes where AR-15s really are central to the deed. There’s a reason why virtually every mass shooter uses one. They are symbols of overwhelming force and massacre. They also kill the most people in the shortest period of time.

    America has a whole other largely handgun-based problem. That’s the one that facilitates the firearm suicides that make up almost half of all firearms death. It’s behind most intimate partner killings, toddlers stumbling on unsecured gun and killing themselves, killings in robberies, gang killings and more. That’s the source of the great majority of deaths. It’s disproportionately a hand gun rather than a long gun problem. But it’s mostly distinct from these terror crimes which have a logic, a goal and origins that are quite distinct.

    1. Good article, PH. 
       

      gun rights activists portray supporters of assault weapons bans, bans on high capacity magazines and the rest as reactive and innumerate. It’s similar to the way that gun activists sometimes try to shut down restriction conversation by noting how people horrified by all the carnage don’t know all the technical differences between this gun and that one.

      Hmm….never seen that before…

  5. Marcy Wheeler offers pep/prep talk about the January 6 hearings starting tonight. She tends to get deep into the legal details, which can be both good and bad.

    For example, Brookings did legal analysis of Trump’s legal exposure, laying out the evidence and legal background for charging him under 18 USC 371 and/or 1512(c)(2) and (k). I did a (actually, several) versions of that post too. But I posted it back on August 19, 2021.

    The Brookings analysis misses a number of things, however. While it cites Judge Amit Mehta’s decision finding it plausible that Trump entered into a conspiracy with the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys (this is a much lower standard than the one DOJ would need to charge Trump), it doesn’t mention Mehta’s decision that Trump may have liability for aiding and abetting the assaults at the Capitol. 

    Similarly, neither Brookings nor anyone else I’ve seen have noticed DOJ’s recent addition, in the same indictments in which they charged the militias for seditious conspiracy (Oath Keeper, Proud Boys), of 18 USC 372 charges, which is a conspiracy to prevent by force or intimidation any person from discharging his duties.

    If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.

    As I’ve noted of late, the only other January 6 defendants charged with a 372 conspiracy are George Tanios and Julian Khater, for the alleged attack on Brian Sicknick and others. In the same way I was screaming in August that TV lawyers need to pay attention to how DOJ was using 1512(c)(2) (which they’ve finally started doing), I’m going to start screaming about 372 now. I think the 372 charges are designed to do more than backstop the showier conspiracy charges. Insofar as Mike Pence was acting in his role as President of the Senate on January 6 (and so would be included in the language about preventing by intimidation Members of Congress from carrying out their duties), it might be easier to charge people like John Eastman or Peter Navarro with 372 than with 1512. That’s because parts of this conspiracy didn’t rely on obstructing the vote certification, it relied on preventing Pence from doing his job.

  6. Two weeks ago Governor Polis signed legislation that will assist the two largest water districts in Colorado with $60 million to transition to our regions to compliance with our aged compacts and set the stage for the full transition from post-corn, aquifer draining agriculture to something very different. 
     

    In the same spirit the Governor and our legislative majority are funding the transition from coal to carbon-free resources with a $15mm fund to equip our rural workforce with the tools they need to prosper in a post-fossil fuel world. 
     

    Kudos to everyone that made this day possible. 
     

    #ColoradoNewDeal 

  7. The C Springs Gazette editorial board made its primary endorsements– all establishment R, of course, and no surprises except one- Boebert for CD3. They claim that

    She is a resolute representative of her vast district’s interests and a forceful advocate for the Western Slope.

    Really? In what way? 

    1. "…a forceful advocate for the Western Slope."

      Well, she does make a lot of noise but I'm not sure any of it is really relevant to Western Slope issues. And even if relevant, she hasn't been what you might call effective as a legislator.

  8. It seems there is a situation brewing at our new, state sponsored gun haven in Cameo, east of Grand Junction. The local sheriff says he will not enforce state law at an upcoming shoot fest. 

    Got illegal magazines…? NO PROBLEM! Bring  'em! He won't say a word nor take any action. Governor..are you going to enforce state law…or look the other way?

  9. MI Gov candidate arrested for his role in Jan 6 insurrection.

    Surely, Loren “Ron” Hanks, and Lauren “BangBang” Boebert can’t be far behind?

    They both had extensive correspondence and personal contact with insurrectionists, encouraging violence, and were on the scene.

    There still have been no arrests or follow up on the called-in threat to the Capitol, which used air traffic control frequencies that Hanks would have known from his years as a drone operator.

    Hanks’ history as a drones expert has been removed from all of his contemporary political online biographies.

  12.  

    Unfortunately, that is exactly what happened back then. A group in the South successfully rewrote what the Civil War was about and the tragedy of states rights losing to the New York centered financial powers.

    1. Funny you mention that ….

      Earlier today, I was thinking back to when I was watching the Watergate hearing in 1973 and 1974. (I was in high school at the time.)

      Back in the day, there were only three networks and they broadcast the hearings live. With the exception of some desperate housewives who complained about the pre-emption of their soap operas, millions watched the hearings.

      If Fox had been around in 1973-1974, there would have been an outlet for the soap operas.

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