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October 28, 2022 07:11 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“People who say they don’t care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don’t care what people think.”

–George Carlin

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        1. I once worked at a small company owned by Republicans. One day the owner/president came wallowing through the office saying. "Obamacare, harumpf! Someone should shoot that guy." 

          You know, I never hear that kind of viscious/vicarious lust for killing from liberals or even leftists.

          Trump and his fascist cos-playing. Insult by way of political argument.

              2. "anything pro-life……what about solid "pro-lifer" Robert Dearing who murdered three people at a Colorado Springs PP clinic in November, 2015, because he wanted "to save the babies," Pear?

                Should say "alleged" murderer since he's never been judged competent to stand trial.

              1. What aboutism is really tiring and you know its BS.  MAGA = Facists

                DEMS = only choice thats not actively trying to overthrow USA. 

                PERIOD  you don't have any other choices.. 

            3. It's hard to imagine a January 6th type riot coming from liberals?

              There is an organized ideology of violence, gun fetishists and reveling in death… part of the fascist mentality. On the right, there is a large amount of militia organizing and para-military activity. Also, you see the violent elements on the right coordinating with wealthy donors, propaganda outlets, and strategizing political leaders.

              It's easy for us to put names to the people creating the culture of violence – Steve Bannon, NRA, Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Proud Boys, III-Percenters.

              I don't see similar coordination nor violent fantasies on the left. Individual crazies exist, but not the connection to the established political elites or to the police forces (e.g. the case of the proud boys and the January 6 insurrectionists).

                1. Go back in time and there is Sacco and Vanzetti and the Haymarket bombing.   But today, political violence is at least a 90 percent right wing thing.

                   

                2. Wow you have to dredge deep into memory lane. What, 60 years ago?

                  If you are going back that far, then compare the Weather Underground to the KKK and the violent Chicago Police under mayor Daly, or the Southern sheriffs, or the Kent State militia who were ordered to shoot peaceful demonstrators.

                  Right wing violence has been organized and part of policing and Right-wing agit-propaganda and politicians from the end of the civil war, to George Wallace through Ronald Wilson Reagan to Donald Trump.

                  You recall that Reagan was the one who called for the police to shoot demonstrators at UC Berkeley. Kindly Old Grandpa Fascism. I'm sure there was a jovial tone in his voice while he called for killing the hippies.

                  Are you claiming there was coordination between the Weather Underground and, um – well anybody in the political system?

                  1. You made an overly broad statement – which you commonly do. I simply pointed out that it was not entirely true.

                    And the Weather Underground was 50 years ago, not 60.

                    Others pointed out the threats against Brett Kavanaugh – presumably that was a progressive.

                    I also pointed out the socialist who took a shot at Scalise.

                    1. Herbal tea vs strychnine. Gandalf vs Sauron.

                      I've been around leftists and liberals for a long time. I simply do not ever hear casual wishes for or jokes about violence, death, extermination, the way the right-wing is absolutely steeped in it.

                      And when I say right-wing, I mean established billionaires, politicians, news casters and thought leaders, not random weirdos like Lauren BB and Empty G.

                      PP made a joke about Pelosi's husband. I mean, "Who DOES that?" (Aside from Trump).

                  2. The Kent State rioters weren’t all peaceful, though most, if not all, the students shot — four dead, nine wounded — were just on their way to class. There had been a riot in downtown Kent and the ROTC building was burned down.  The shooting of Jackson State students 11 days later killed 2 and wounded 12 but was virtually ignored.  Guess which victims were black. 
                    An FBI investigation showed no one actually gave the order to fire at Kent State. Some ill-trained kids in the guard just panicked. Incidentally, one of the slain students was an ROTC cadet.

                    1. Yeah. You're right.

                      The aspect of Kent State that really sticks with me is a particular story. 

                      One of the people in the crowd went home that day to find his mother talking about the event, and being thankful that the national guard had been there to put down the protestors.

                      Again, we see such casual acceptance and approval of violence by the right (embedded in the military and poitical system) against the left.

                    2. I was on the riot force at West Point, which could muster 1,000 men.  We had sheaths on our bayonets and only officers had ammo, which they never needed to issue.

                      Just 50 miles from New York City, we expected a lot of protests.  But we had just one — about 50 girls from Vasser.

                      No problema.

            4. “Supreme Court justices and baseball practices…..”

              One guy in front of Kavanaugh’s home who turned himself in. One stupid Bernie bot who shot Rep. Scalise. Those individual actions do not create vast movements, Pear.

          1. Compare that to all the jokes about the Scalise shooting.

            Or compare to Trump mocking a disabled journalist, or the Republican Party National chair mocking Biden's stutter.

            There was a guy in the dorm when I was younger who made oinking noises whenever an over-weight woman walked in. It is that level of anti-social behavior.

          3. You're absolutely right about our little pfruitcake.  But, is it really surprising?  He is despicable.  And there is no depth our rotted fruit won't plumb.

  2. Report: Ukraine War Hastens Energy Transition And Dooms Russia to Permanent Decline From Josh Marshall at TPM

    Bad news for PP. Good news for the world. The IEA historically vastly underestimates the acceleration of renewables.

    (You need to be a subscriber to TPM, as they often have really good investigative Journalism.)

    The basic outlines of this prediction about an accelerated transition are simple enough: A sharp rise in fossil fuel prices has made an ongoing transition more economic and actual supply cut offs have forced emergency moves in the direction of non-fossil fuels.

    What interested me most about the report however is the impact of the Ukraine War on Russia itself. Russia has spent decades building up both the economic engine of its fossil fuel industry as well as its geopolitical power. The report includes a range of scenarios for how the 2022 energy crisis impact plays out over the coming decades. But in each scenario Russia’s role as an energy producer goes into permanent decline. As the report’s executive summary puts it, “Russian fossil fuel exports never return – in any of our scenarios – to the levels seen in 2021, and its share of internationally traded oil and gas falls by half by 2030…”

    1. More, since the article is really insightful.

      The impact of the Russo-Ukraine war on global energy transition would clearly be the most profound, lasting and apparently positive effect of the war. But the report provides another example of the sheer magnitude of the self-inflicted catastrophe the war has been for Russia. We’ve known about the geopolitical carnage for a while. Russia failed to subdue Ukraine but the failed invasion created the united and increasingly militarized NATO post-Soviet Russia has long feared. The economic impact seems no less profound. Russia can and is forcing a cold crisis winter on Europe. But winters end.

      For decades the US warned Europeans, especially the Germans, that hardwiring themselves to Russian gas was a geo-strategic risk. Russia proved that to the be the case in 2022. But the stakes Russia created with the Ukraine invasion were so great that Europe has chosen to decouple itself from Russia at great short-term cost. Russia’s invasion has shattered the oil and gas juggernaut it spent decades building.

  3. Brad DeLong on the Continuation of the Biden Boom:

    CONDITION: The Economy Remains Very, Very Strong:

    Third-quarter real GDP growth at a 2.6% annual rate, and core PCE inflation at a 4.5% annual rate—in the late-Volcker or early-Greenspan years, these would have been seen as perfect numbers for an economy near full employment…

  4. Exxon CEO self-owns: Again from Josh Marshall

    “There has been discussion in the U.S. about our industry returning some of our profits directly to the American people,” says Exxon Chief Executive Officer Darren Woods. “That’s exactly what we’re doing in the form of our quarterly dividend.”

    In case you live under a rock shareholder dividends are not actually sent to the American people. They’re sent to owners of Exxon, shareholders. So Exxon is sharing the wealth with the American people in the sense of making a lot of profits for Exxon and sharing it out with the company’s owners.

        1. Not really. Like VG, I have energy stocks in my two retirement IRAs. Companies pay the dividends to the funds and they come to me depending on the pay out frequency. No "eventually" about it.

  6. Spot on Parkhill.  There are trained and tested servant leaders of the constitution out here that are not MAGAFRIED and will counter this as the knuckleheads decide to act.  Violence from ANYONE regardless of ideology is wrong and must be countered by the MAJORITY.  

    The commentary here joking about violence shows that the commenters have never given or received it in earnest. It's not a solution, it's a means to getting to solution.  

     

    1. Yes. It is the joking and wishful thinking that bugs the crap out of me.

      One of the strongest life-lines of fascism is precisely the fantasy of violence. There is a vicarious wishing for a strongman or a group of thugs to beat the crap out of the hippies or jews or students. 

      EVERY genocide in history was instigated, directed or funded by somebody with money. They aren't just random ethnic grievances suddenly springing into violence. Some specific person or group provided the money or the incentives.

  7. "For the next 11 days news media is going to yank our chains like they're trying to start a leaf blower."

    ~Stephen Colbert

    Ignore the polls and media. Just vote. Our Democracy depends on it.

    1. The polls are less & less accurate

      In the poll we have in the field right now, only 0.4 percent of dials have yielded a completed interview. If you were employed as one of our interviewers at a call center, you would have to dial numbers for two hours to get a single completed interview.

      No, it wasn’t nearly this bad six, four or even two years ago. You can see for yourself that around 1.6 percent of dials yielded a completed interview in our 2018 polling.

  8. That human stool specimen, Jesse Watters, had his lead-off with the Paul Pelosi story.

    He said the assailant is an illegal alien from Canada who makes hemp jewelry and is a nudist, and we need to secure our borders.

    So, now we need to build a border wall to the north.

  9. Pfucker Carlson did not start off with off with Paul Pelosi but began with the Babylon Bee, moved on to trash Dr. Rachel Levine, and ended up by blowing a big, wet kiss to Elon Musk and the new Twitter.

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