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February 10, 2023 08:05 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”

–Thomas Carlyle

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  4. It’s ALL About the False Electors Conspiracy. Josh K from TPM.

    Here’s a new way of thinking about the effort to overturn the 2020 election. 

    Instead of a series of disconnected, disparate schemes all aimed at the same goal, the fake electors plot provides a lens through which to view the entire effort, giving Trump’s 2020 plans a coherence, with each piece fitting neatly together. Now, two years after the violence of Jan. 6, this fresh look at the scheme reinforces how efforts to spread conspiracy theories, subvert the DOJ, weaponize state legislatures, summon an angry mob and, ultimately, pressure the vice president on Jan. 6 were all part of the same plot, with fake electors at the center. 

    Importantly, it’s a scheme that may carry criminal liability as federal prosecutors continue their investigation.

    …

    But a closer look at the record made available by texts, documents, and other records shows precisely how central the fake electors were to the various schemes that Trump and his allies had going — they were the mechanism that, in Trumpworld’s thinking, could at any point from early December until Jan. 6 have allowed pressure on state legislators, officials, Congress, Mike Pence, and the Supreme Court to turn into actions that would flip the result.

    1. But it’s stunning to observe how, within days of the November 2020 election, people up and down the hierarchy of the Trump campaign were ready to move on the fake electors plot. 

      On Nov. 5, 2020, Donald Trump Jr. was one of many people in Trump’s orbit to text White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows with a plan for how electors could be used to subvert the election, up to Jan. 6. 

      “It’s very simple,” Don Jr. wrote, according to a text log that Meadows handed over to the Jan. 6 committee and that was obtained by TPM. “If through our lawsuits and recounts the Secretary of States on each state cannot �certify� that states vote the State Assemblies can step in and vote to put forward the electoral slate Republicans control Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina etc � we get Trump electors[.]”

      “There is a Safe Harbor on 8 December if for whatever reason you miss that the Electors then cannot meet in the individual state Capitols on 14 December,” he continued. “So we either have a vote WE control and WE win OR it gets kicked to Congress 6 January 2021[.]”

  5. Came here looking for any insight/coverage of last night’s Denver Mayoral debate. The Denver Post story on it was pretty lame, offering only closing remarks from candidates.

    I wasn’t able to watch it and sure would love to hear from anyone who did watch/attend.

  7. Another Jew-ish MAGA Republican …

    "New George Santos just dropped": MAGA Republican's claims about her background fall apart (msn.com)

    What the hell kind of opposition research were the Dem candidates and the Republican primary opponents doing to allow these con artists to slip through?

    And when will the media stop being ideological shills (I'm looking at you, Joy Reid and Lawrence O'Donnell) and try being investigative journalists for a change?

    Well, at least we know that Lauren Bobert was the vulgar and simple-minded piece of white trash that she sold herself as.

  8. If you ever want to see real election fraud (and/or perjury), find yourself a genuine GOPer asshat:

    https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2023/02/colorado-election-fraud-conspiracist-appears-to-have-committed-voter-fraud-court-docs-show/50777/

    https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2023/02/dougco-clerk-says-its-aware-of-oltmanns-potential-voter-fraud-and-is-cooperating-with-colorado-secretary-of-state/51837/

    Joe’s deposition responses are vintage Santos/DeVolder/Trump/Peters/Lindell.

     

    2. Oltmann is a piece of shit. No wonder he talks such a big game about Colorado politics! Must be easy to be such a "strong man" hurling insults and threats when he's safely in Texas WHERE HE LIVES. Fuck him. Anyone who takes Oltmann seriously is a moron lathered in gun cleaner.

  9. Disinflation

    Anyway, in the third quarter of 2022 we predicted on the Prof G Markets Pod that inflation would come down as fast as it had accelerated. (I just read the last sentence and one thought runs through my head: When did I get so boring?) Wrong again. It’s going down faster.

     

  10. Astute readers of Pols will notice I don't often criticize Dems, but…

    Former state Rep. Tracey Bernett just pleaded guilty to a "felony count of attempt to influence a public servant and a misdemeanor count of perjury" (according to Hometown Weekly) for her action of falsely claiming primary residence in a more politically favorable House district. Two years deferred sentence, two years probation.

    Kids – don't do stuff like this. It certainly didn't turn out worth it for Bernett, to put it mildly. And while I'd guess HD12 wound up with a good replacement Representative, it came through a low-membership vacancy committee, not a fuller-participation primary or general election.

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