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October 09, 2012 03:28 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Profit is sweet, even if it comes from deception.”

–Sophocles

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      1. Duke, brother.  If you go back and check what you wrote,

        as well as what I wrote,

        you’ll see that I laid out a logical explanation of why Obama was a Muslim at birth.  

        You didn’t like the logic, but neither did you refute it.  

        He was born a Muslim.  He had NO CHOICE in the matter.  

        I believe that he is, today, a Christian.

        Why do I believe that ?  

        Because he said so.  That’s good enough for me.  

        1. Faith is an adult choice. And there’s no evidence that, even as a child, Obama ever actually practiced anything.

          You’re wrong about that and you ought to admit it.

          1. I’m talking about identity and belonging and culture.  

            It’s just silly to proclaim that people don’t belong to any religion until they make a conscious choice as an adult.

            But you didn’t exactly say that.

            Golly, even our government proclaims 8-year-old boys to be Muslim militants, if they happen to be killed in a drone strike.  

             

            1. then you’re still off the mark. That implies a household full of Islamic culture, if not a presence in an Islamic community. The known facts are that he had neither. His parents separated when he was less than a month old, and his mother certainly never embraced or practiced Islam.

              You’re pulling this out of thin air.

        2. My point was that NO child is ANYTHING at birth…except an infant. I will let your non-apology explanation suffice, but only because I am such a nice guy…since birth.  🙂

            1. I was a practicing breast feeder and diaper filler…nothing more.

              Please, Barron…stop thinking you have to fill in for elbee. Try to keep it real..OK?

        3. Because, you know, you and your 8 friends are the CONSTITUTION party so you oppose the equal opportunity for all religious views enshrined in the Constitution’s First Amendment and Clause barring religious tests for public office.

          Claiming to be a constitutionalist while believing in exclusion based on religion is kind of like being a Christian without believing in Jesus, or a Jew without being a monotheist. (To avoid being outraged at you, I’m trying to remind myself that your bigotry is hilariously incoherent fringe lunacy shared by barely enough folks in the state to fill a Starbucks.)

        1. I made money off of having a unique take on things.  If my competition found out my angle, they would have undercut me and left me without clients.

          So, I was secretive about how it all worked.

          Sort of like deception, but I think Sophocles was talking about deceiving clients, not competition.  

            1. If the prospect bites, I’m back in business.  

              2 weeks ago, I was wrestling household appliances in a Home Depot reset.

              Last week, pushing a broom on a construction site.  

              60 days from now, I picture myself working on a laptop out of a Starbucks, one that the rest of the Constitution Party couldn’t fill.  That gig would get me outta my Mom’s basement for over a year.    

    2. side of the coin, so to speak, is more important to my way of thinking. Those deceived, and essentially stolen from,have damages incalculatable. The pain and loss can linger for years, and even a lifetime.

      1. Sophocles was a playwright.  Ascribing everything he wrote for every character in every play he wrote as being a deep-seated personal belief would be utterly ridiculous.  

        Without knowing the context of this quotation, and I am unable to quickly find such, one can’t discern what Sophocles (or his play-written character) was trying to say.

        . . . but then again, Willard has always seemed to me to be a badly-scripted character in a comedy, farce, or tragedy.  There may be some connection.

  3. 4 candidates showed up for the CU Regent @ Large debate last night at UCCS, but is was really only a 2-way fight, Ludwig v. Belmont.  

    The Republican and Libertarian candidates just didn’t have the fire in the belly.  

    Incumbent Ludwig was in top form, witty, funny, engaging.  

    18-year-old Belmont, still in High school, representing the Constitution Party, stood toe-to-toe, took some jabs, and parried with a few of his own, but even Belmont’s corner scored this round for Steve.

    It doesn’t help that Ludwig has a campaign fund.  

    And I learned last night, from Steve, that even Camille has endorsed him.  

  4. A huge part of our four page ballot consists of eleven constitutional amendments, all offered up by the Republican controlled legislature.  There were twelve, but one was struck down by the (ACTIVIST!) court.

    Without going into detail of each one, the League of Women Voters has suggested a NO vote on all eleven.  The local paper suggests one (lukewarm) YES, one MAYBE, your choice, and nine NO’s.  See a pattern here?

    Three or four of the proposed amendments have to do with giving additional homestead exemptions to certain vets, certain widows, first responders, etc.  The rationale for a NO vote is the complexity layered upon existing complexities in the constitution.

    OK, those amendments might as well have come from Dems, too.  But here are the absolutely, definitely, Republican ones:

    Amendment 1: To make sure that Florida doesn’t participate in………..you got it…..the ACA.  

    Amendment 3: To set a new cap on state expenditures….that will overlay the one we already have.  Can you spell TABOR?

    Amendment 5: Purely and brazenly an attempt to grab judicial power by the legislature.  They want secret files on the (ACTIVIST!) judges, ability to remove them.  The Pubes are working hard at removing three judges up for approval by the voters.  What part of “Separation of Powers” do these parasites not understand?

    Amendment 6: Enshrine federal law about funding of abortions into the state constitution.  Redundant.  Also narrows the scope of privacy as approved by voters in 1980.

    Amendment 7: Given the boot by ACTIVIST judges.

    Amendment 8:  Under the guise of “Religious Freedom,” removes the state-church barrier to allow public monies “Except as prohibited by the First Amendment,” to go to religious bodies.  Wow!  

    Amendment 12


    “The final state amendment on the ballot would change the way the student representative on the state university system’s Board of Governors is selected. It would create a new council of student body presidents.

    The Legislature wants to amend the constitution for this? Oh, please.

    ”

    So, there’s how Pubicans are trying to destroy the constituion of Florida, all the while ignoring the constitution of the USA.  

    1. The huge FL ballot (even longer than what you mentioned in several counties) coupled with early voting days cut in half will cause impossibly long voter lines resulting in voter suppression.  This is how the GOP will steal the election this time in FL.  Not to mention CO failing to mail “permanent” ballots to those who didn’t vote in 2010.

      I’m getting angry now.

      1. …how critical a few votes can be.  Also, think Franken.

        While perhaps not on the level of voter interference of 2000, every little bit helps.  

  6. A few days ago the ACTIVIST judges in Florida allowed our Republican SOS to proceed with voter roll purging.

    Funny how ACTIVIST is OK when it helps them.  

    1. On a night that John Lewis spoke, that literally moved me to tears after a long night of under-card speeches, this is what you want to highlight?

      BTW why was he talking about Israel?

      1. Wow.  

        agreement amongst election trolls.  Now I know how to think about things.-snark-

        Life will be better for this liberal when things get back to normal

    1. His Sunday column was about how Rmoney has gone moderate.  He approves.  

      The big mystery is why it took him so long. Once he had the nomination sewn up, that’s the norm.  

      1. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…

        “I have a serious question for David Brooks, who is hailing Romney’s Bain record. Do you know how private equity works?” Taibbi, a contributing editor for Rolling Stone, wrote about New York Times columnist David Brooks on Twitter on Tuesday. He continued: “I bet he doesn’t have the faintest clue what companies like Bain actually do.”

        *

        In that column referenced by Taibbi, Brooks wrote that President Barack Obama represents “big government,” and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney represents “capitalism.” Romney’s task, he wrote, is to “define the kind of capitalist he is and why the country needs his virtues.”

        *

        …Also in 2010, Taibbi wrote that Brooks works “as a professional groveler and flatterer who three times a week has to come up with new ways to elucidate for his rich readers how cosmically just their lifestyles are.”

  12. The biggest problem with Obama is that he was a citizen of Indonesia which means he had to renounce his American citizenship or lie to Indonesia because they do not allow dual citizenship. Unless he lied or reapplied, he does not qualify to be POTUS or Senator.

    1. who sings the anthem so loud that you can’t hear today’s guest crooner.  

      I figure that, having stood guard on a post right on the MDL in the middle of the Korean DMZ, I’ve earned that right.  

      I would never get picked for “The Voice” or “America’s got Talent” or “Idol.”  

      But I also love it when I hear folks who sing even worse than me, giving it all they’ve got.  

      Being half Korean, that half was raised where she had to get up in front of her class and sing, frequently.  No wallflowers in the home of KPOP.  

      If I have a point, it’s that I applaud the singer in that tape for having the gumption to get up on stage and go for it.  

      ….

      Was there something else to that post ?  

      I’m not so big on lapel pins or outward displays of patriotism.  I’m watching what a person does, instead.  

      He didn’t “refuse” to salute the flag, he forgot.  

      And Obama the Muslim (snark) does support core American values, when he’s not killing folks extrajudicially, or detaining them indefinitely without charge.    

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