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January 02, 2024 12:54 AM UTC

2024 Open Thread #1

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life.”

–Muhammad Ali

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24 thoughts on “2024 Open Thread #1

    1. The now-present subhead on that story muddles the narrative:

      CSP and DPD don’t believe the incident is associated with previous threats to the Colorado Supreme Court Justices

      Seems more like a drunk driving / random gun violence thing than insurrection, at least in the second round of reporting.

      1. If it was related to the threats, it is some grade-A felony stupidity (well, it was felony stupid regardless).   Serious charges will be filed, including kidnapping the security guard.  Good luck in DOC, buddy. 

        1. It's an unusual venue to commit a burglary, kidnapping and arson.  Wouldn't the traditional sites (e.g. a convenience store) make more sense if it was not an attempt to convey a political message?

          As for Grade A-felony stupidity, that only serves to underscore my suspicion that it might be MAGA related.

          How many members of Mensa were at the Capitol three years ago talking selfies of themselves sitting at Nancy Pelosi's desk, or carrying the Confederate flag through the Rotunda?

    1. I'm drawing too much unnecessary negative attention to myself so I need to get the hell out of the way.

      Might be the most (only?) self-aware thing she's ever said.

  1. Here's some happy news for the new year…..

    Deputy Hamas Leader Killed by Blast in Beirut: Israel-Hamas Live Updates – The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Actually, each day of the new year has brought good news to Israel. Yesterday, the supreme court slapped down Bibi and his theocratic allies with their decision on their own jurisdiction, and today, Hamas got the slap down.

    We will now pause to allow the Hamas apologists to weigh in on why an immediate ceasefire is necessary.

    1. What a monstrous framing, claiming that calls for ceasefire are from "Hamas apologists."

      By mid-December, Israel had dropped 29,000 bombs, munitions and shells on the strip. Nearly 70% of Gaza’s 439,000 homes and about half of its buildings have been damaged or destroyed. The bombing has damaged Byzantine churches and ancient mosques, factories and apartment buildings, shopping malls and luxury hotels, theaters and schools. Much of the water, electrical, communications and healthcare infrastructure that made Gaza function is beyond repair. 

      https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-destruction-bombing-israel-aa528542

      It seems you and your fellow genocide apologists won't be satisfied until every Palestinian is killed or displaced.

      1. Genocide? Give it a rest. If Israel intended to wipe out the Palestinians, there would be far more dead. The goal of Hamas' attack was to start a war that resulted in dead Palestinians. If you want to defend that attack, the floor is yours.

          1. Perhaps if the Palestinian civilians would stop giving aid and comfort to an army of terrorists, they wouldn't be getting hurt.

            When you harbor criminals in your home, you run the risk of getting hit in the cross fire.

            1. Oh, OK. So the 15,000 kids and civvees killed and maimed in Gaza deserve their fates, because they were trapped between an Israeli police state and Hamas, who at least provided food, medicine, water, , fuel, and whatever inadequate social services exist in Gaza. Glad you cleared that up. 

              Those darn parents should have followed your advice and let their kids starve rather than accept help from ” terrorists”. They should have asked ” What would LBWPOS do?”, and done that. 

              1. Yes, their parents are responsible for not protecting their children and keeping them in a safe place.

                and now you're actually defending Hamas – instead of drawing a line between Hamas and the Palestinian civilians?

        1. And then there are credible and nuanced explanations: Why Hamas Attacked When it Did
          Moderate solutions , like those of the Palestinian Authority, were not working. Bibi tore up Hamas' two state charter on public TV. 2021 and 2022 were the deadliest years for Palestinians in history. 
           

          Bibi's war is not "An eye for an eye", revenge, nor does it allow for a two state solution.  It is fifteen Palestinian children killed or maimed for every Israeli killed or taken hostage. When the bombing finally stops, Gaza will be paved over for Israeli condos, continuing the process started 56 years ago, as Palestinians lost 80% of their land and were forced to live in apartheid – like conditions. 
          Bibi's own people do not support his autocratic ambitions. They demonstrated against him for weeks.

          Fortunately for Bibi, he's always got knee-jerk, unthoughtful cheerleaders like those above. 

  2. I am very entertained by Trump's possible defense strategies for his January 6 case (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/02/politics/trump-defense-strategy-january-6/index.html) because they're so clever. They're not smart, but they're clever.

    The "foreign interference defense" is basically "Donald Trump isn't a criminal. He's just stupid cuz he fell for lies created by foreign actors" which is…something I guess.

    The "issue" about special investigators is clever because it uses the idea that timing can never be right. If Trump was prosecuted shortly after 1/6/2021 then it would be "too soon" but since he wasn't charged until Novermber of 2022 it was "too late" and there "must be something suspicious about the timing".

    Then there's the "bias" argument which is the most Trumpian. This is the "Trump gives people ample reason not to like him, then claims that they are biased cuz they don't like him" defense which is super clever! He tried this in his civil case by saying the judge and clerk were idiot assholes who hated him.

    This all stands on top of the ultimate strategy of just asking "Are you sure?" over and over.until the world ends.

    I can't imagine any of these strategies working. This is not a civil case against a businessman in a small court like Trump is used to dealing with. This is a federal criminal case against the former President of the United States. I's and T's have been dotted and crossed and will continue to be dotted and crossed. No technicality should derail this case and that's all Trump has for a defense cuz he can't win on merit in this case.

    1. Excellent points. But I think in the end, like most cases, this will boil down to who is on the jury.

      To that end, the NYC, DC and Atlanta cases will have decent venire pools. (This is why the attempt to remove the Atlanta case to federal court was so important. If the case went to federal court, a lot of people outside Atlanta would be on the jury.)

      I don't worry about an outright acquittal in any of these three cases. I find it virtually impossible that 12 people in those communities will be seated and conclude that he was not guilty.

      I worry more about the lone MAGA juror who holds out and causes a deadlock and a mistrial.

      And I am more concerned about these cases getting delayed until after the election in November. I've said it before, I'll say it again, I doubt that any of these four cases gets to trial before the election. There are simply too many opportunities to get each one sidetracked.

    2. Add in … the Trump J6 trial will be happening in a federal district court of Washington DC.  With a Washington DC jury. 

      hard to imagine that Trump will get his wish to have the trial televised.  Or that the areas of argument won't be constrained by the judge acting on Jack Smith's pretrial motions. 

      But the trial strategy of

      • delay.  and delay some more.  and appeal, so there will be more delay. Voir dire process will be a tip-off of the strategy of delay.
      • use as much time as possible in trial, cross-examining every prosecution witness in depth.  Request a broad number of defense witnesses and make certain they are on the stand as long as possible.
      • try to seat a few jurors willing to provide a BROAD understanding of the case and hold to their doubts.  Federal trials have very few acquittals.  But for Trump's situation, a hung jury would be nearly as good.

       

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