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November 15, 2024 12:23 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“To live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering.”

–Friedrich Nietzsche

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24 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

  1. A week after the election of Trump and loss of the Senate and House I am reminded of Aesop’s fable of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.  Decades of piss poor Democratic messaging failed to convey to Americans the importance of the US government in people’s lives.  An essentially corrupt-free enterprise that allowed us to become the most prosperous country in humankind.  But, there has been no politician since maybe JFK who inspired us to commend and help our government.  Instead we got Reagan who said the most dangerous words are “I’m from the US government and I’m here to help.”  That has evolved to Trump channeling Steve Bannon to “burn it all down”.  So, we end up today, after maybe only 60% of Americans even voting, with an unserious President nominating unserious Cabinet members who will burn it to the ground.  This week I’ve been resigned to believing that I have enough money and resources to buy my way out of anything that comes out of these next few years that would affect me and my family — that I don’t really need the US government either.  But, that may be just a failure of my imagination (and a failure of particularly Democratic politicians) to explain the stakes involved.  For example, if RFK Jr is head of HHS he says he’ll stop all vaccine research for 8 years.  Well, that’s a situation that I won’t be able to buy my way out of when the next pandemic comes down the pike and there is no vaccine to protect me.  Frankly though, I’m still hard pressed to come up with reasons why any of this will really matter in my day to day life.  I feel like I did all that I could have done to prevent this. Did we just kill the golden goose?   Now we’ll just have to see where the chips fall. Sigh…

    1. You mean that REPUBLICANS should change their messaging on Democrats? Democrat messages are fine; it’s the Republican fake-democrat messaging that’s the problem. Harris’s message was great, it just doesn’t penetrate the Fox News bubble.

       When you show actual Democratic messages to focus groups, they actually like them.

      1. Hi.  No, I do mean Democratic messaging that has not succinctly explained why it matters to have them in power.  Where is our Frank Luntz?  The best messengers that I have seen are actually Republicans/former Republicans:  Scarborough, Wallace, Schmidt, Conway (not KellyAnne), even Frum for god's sake.  We even allowed the meme that egg prices are too high to dominate the conversation without pointing out that farmers had to kill millions of chickens to head off a bird flu pandemic.  Even the existential threat to democracy did not resonate because there was no underlying reason why that mattered.

        Have you heard a succinct "elevator pitch" from the Dems?

        1. JHC, Luntz is so insufferable!  (Why can't he get the sides to match the top?  Or vice versa)

          The problem with the messaging coming out of "former Republicans" such as Scarborough, Conway, Frum, et al is that they are all coastal corporate democrats and media elites.  They live and speak the language of people who live in NYC, SF, DC, Chicago, etc., but look at any map—we need spokespeople who people in the red states will hear.  I don't know who that is—Tester?  Beshear?  Walz?  But MSNBC is. not. helping..  Nancy Pelosi and Chuch Schumer are. not. helping.  And neither is AOC or a cast of others.

        2. You don't understand. In neighborhoods like Park Hill, the Democratic message is just fine and well received.

          The" problem is that most of the world doesn't live in Park Hill.

          It's like that old saying, "Policies are very popular among people who like them."

    1. I think it may signal that Polis is done with public office.  I thought he might hang around and run for senate, but now that this election is over, he can take his liberal Democrat mask off and reveal his Tech millionnaire/business friendly/fiscally conservative/socially liberal self.

  2. The post mortems on the Democrat losses continue to roll in. But it’s really reduced to this.

    Throughout 2023 in poll after poll over 70% of voters said the country was on the wrong track, a number that fell only a few points in 2014.

    When Kamala Harris was asked on The View if she would have done anything different than Biden she responded not a thing comes to mind.

    A billion dollars and flashy celebrity endorsements/performances doesn’t cure tone deafness.

    Class dismissed.

      1. I don’t consider it a mandate at all and his agenda will be scrutinized as it should be. But there’s no denying Democrats missed the mark on the pulse of the electorate, enough so to lose. Harris was simply put in an untenable position of defending the status quo which she was part of while a majority of the electorate, albeit a slim one, wanted a different path.

         

  3. Dean Phillips is willing to submit a resume, too …..

    Dean Phillips not opposed to working under President-elect Trump

    This is shaping up to be one of the kost bipartisan cabinets in recent history what with RFK, Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard.

    I will admit, the selection of Matt Gaetz threw me for a loop.

    I agree with Hugh Hewitt in that the nomination of Gaetz is simply a distraction.

    Every new administration needs to have one appointee who is doomed to be rejected.

    Biden had Neera Tanden

    Trump 45 had Andrew Puzder

    Obama had Tom Daschle

    Bush 43 had Linda Chavez

    Clinton had Zoe Baird and Kimba Woods

    Biush 41 had John Tower

    I still think that Trump's real choice will be Ken Paxton. But this takes the heat off of Kristie Gnome, Pete Hegseth, and RFK, Jr.

    The wildest rumor of the day:  Kash Patel is in line to replace Christopher Wray as FBI director.

    For the next four years, all we can do is sit back and enjoy the show.

    1. I fear you are right about Paxton.  He'll look like such a choirboy compared to Gaetz.  He's not a pedophile; he's merely a philandering corrupt dum–dum with a lazy eye.

    2. Paxton? What has he done in Texas other than hate on queers? And let’s not forget women with problematic pregnancies? He wants to charge them with a crime for leaving the state to save their lives. 

  4. I wonder if Biden has started on his pardons.

    In addition to the usual suspects (Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Alvin Bragg, Juan Merchan, Adam Schiff, Jamie Raskin, Nancy Pelosi, Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Robert Mueller, Biden himself, and Hunter), I wonder if he could issue a pardon for all those in the United States who entered illegally.

    Just a thought.

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