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November 22, 2024 08:14 AM UTC

Friday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”

–Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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23 thoughts on “Friday Open Thread

  1. HR9495 would have taken away tax exempt status of nonprofits who “support terrorists”, i.e. advocate for marginalized people. It has been referred back to the House for another vote. 

    if passed, This fbill could immediately take away funding for organizations such as MoveOn. org the ACLU, immigrant rights, coalition,  racial justice groups, such as Black Lives Matter, reproductive rights, organizations, etc. it all depends on who is defining “terrorist”. 

    It was presented as though it would outlaw any support for any organization supporting Palestinians. I know that several people on here on this forum would agree with that as a knee-jerk reaction without even thinking it through.

    Representative Caraveo voted for it along with 13 other Democrats. This is how the incoming Trump administration is trying to lay the groundwork for weakening the resistance  to its autocracy. 

    Call representative Caraveo or your own representative and affirm that we are not in favor of any preemptive defunding of progressive nonprofits.

    1. HR 9495 has passed the House. Not much point in calling reps' offices to voice opposition now. (Hey, at least the number of Dem "yea" votes was down from the 52 the last time, when the bill didn't quite make the 2/3 supermajority it needed then.)

      This one brings back ugly memories of the Shrub "war on terror" days, when prominent Dems like Diane Feinstein regularly and repeatedly rolled over and submitted at the mere mention of "terrorism." It's up to the Senate now. Time to contact Hick's and Bennet's offices.

      I'm not finding anything on whether Biden intends to veto, but that'll onlt delay things. If it doesn't become law now, it'll be back as HR 1 or 2 in the 119th Congress.

  2. Call for funding independent journalist websites. 

    In these difficult days, please make sure you have subscriptions to your favorite news sites and stack-exchange writers. I'm investing in Talking Points Memo, Colorado Sun, Rachel Bitecofer.

    Who are you investing in?

  3. The Three Horseman Of The Trump II Apocalypse

    David Kurtz at Talking Points Memo:

    The three central themes of Trump II for Morning Memo, and for TPM more broadly, are shaping up to be: retribution, corruption, and destruction.

    Those play off of and reinforce each other in fascinating and alarming ways, but they each represent a different slice of what Trump has promised, has begun to deliver, and seems likely to continue to be animated by throughout his term.

    If you look back over the last two weeks of post-election Morning Memos, you’ll see that they are largely organized around these three themes. We’ll continue to use them as a prism through which to understand what is happening, how to think about it, and why the old constructs of political journalism in particular are not entirely up to the challenge of covering Trump II.

    1. Trump wants to use the Justice Department as a centerpiece of his retribution, corruption, and destruction jihad. It doesn’t much matter who is the figurehead for that effort. The fact that it will no longer be Gaetz doesn’t dramatically change the analysis. Trump is the problem. The president-elect is the source, instigator, and prime mover of the malfeasance.

      1. I get that Trump bad, but an we stop distinguishing him from the "reasonable" republicans now, and just focus on a progressive populist message from a non-corporatist/non-fascist party? I'm so sick of the democrats playing footsie with the less naughty fascists.

          1. You mean the one delivered on stages with Liz Cheney? Or the one ceding the immigration argument to the republicans? Or was it the four years of foolishly distinguishing MAGA republicans from "the good ones" (who, surprise!, all voted republican)? Which message are you referring to? Maybe you should go back and work on your own party; this country doesn't need to have republican and republican-lite. If you haven't noticed we are sliding into fascism. The antidote to that is not a kinder gentler service to corporatism and capital.

              1. Interesting, I thought it was the Biden/Harris –> Harris/Walz ticket. Didn't realize all those you named were running for president. Also didn't notice either campaign giving any voice to any of those people at all. But yeah I guess it was them. Poor democrats just losing elections based on the messaging from voices that they suppress.

      2. I'd disagree … Trump's approach to retribution, corruption, and destruction is profoundly narcissistic. 

        It is the people AROUND Trump, convincing him that he will be seen as "strong" or a "savior of America" if he does something.  That is where the societal disruption and danger emerge.  For example, I can't see Trump caring about transsexual individuals in American — until someone pointed out that opposing rights for transsexuals and making their lives more difficult is a step toward "saving" American families.  I doubt Trump has a personal stake in abortion policy — until he was convinced that if he acted to appoint judges that would overturn Roe, he would be able to get more support from the Evangelicals that were so crucial to putting him in power.

        1. According to The Week magazine a few issues ago, the Russians began cultivating Trump in the late 1980s. It's all about flattering his narcissistic ego and lining his pockets with other peoples' cash. Fast forward 30+ years and he's the same, if not worse.

  4. I read a fair amount on investing. Right now I want to make sure my stuff will do ok under Trump. So far I'm mostly reading and thinking things through.

    I realized something today. Lots of posts in the sub-reddits I read that mention the Trump corruption in passing. As an assumed significant variable in figuring out what to invest in. Not calling it out as bad, just that it's something that clearly will happen and will have a major impact on the market.

    It's sad that our country is now at the point where it's just assumed the president will act corruptly.

    1. Without getting into the motivations that CREATE policies (which likely will include Trump and Sad!-ministration 2.ohno corruption), there are certain expectations about policy probably worth considering, especially if the timeline for measurement is quarters and up to 5 years.  Corruption will happen and some will have short-term benefit from it, without a doubt.

      I'm more wary about the advice emerging from what I lump together as cronyism.  For example, there are a number of people who see Trump and Musk standing together now and conclude that investing in Musk corporations is a winning play.  Or seeing Trump's pick for Commerce (Howard Lutnick) and jumping to conclusions of what will happen on tariffs based on HIS prior statements & investments.

      1. I think Trump & Musk will have a major falling out. My guess is in 9 – 12 months. My wife's guess is in under 6 months. Both of them have to be top dog.

        So I would not invest in Musk's companies until after the break-up. (Although I have index funds and some of those have Tesla.)

        I also won't invest in the private prison companies for the same reason I won't invest in tobacco companies. Just yech!

        1. I don't think it will take very long. They may not make it until Inauguration Day.

          His entire proposed administration is a joke. Even they are referring to the term, "hostile takeover". 

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