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March 22, 2007 02:59 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Shake hands, come out swinging.

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  1. I’ve been waiting for Winston to expand his thoughts from yesterday’s news, so I’ll just get to it.

    McInnis leaving the race, even if a bloody Suthers/Schaffer Primary still happens, is the worst thing that could have happened to Udall because it shows that the GOP has re-learned the cardinal rule of American politics:

    Americans HATE politicians who don’t have a moral center. They hate the guy that seems to drift with the winds of public opinion and will say anything to get elected. I offer “Both Ways Bob”, “Flip-Flop, Fastboat” Kerry, “I actually grew up in a small house, next to The Brewery” Pete Coors and Vice-President “I invented the Internet” Gore, as excellent examples from both parties.

    McInnis (thanks for the spelling corrections by the way) was the worst of the worst, when it came to sleaze and the GOP has woken up and smelled the stale, bitter coffee grounds they’ve been brewing for the better part of the last decade. We know the powers that be in the GOP forced him out because there was no reason for him to otherwise depart: He had $1M in the bank, supposedly he had a long list of endorsers, supposedly he had hired the same firm that won Owens’, Campbell’s and Bush’s prior wins here in Colorado and he could probably afford to pay his wife $40K for the next year as she “ran his campaign”.

    No, his departure is bad. Not because “the GOP just threw away” a moderate. That means nothing, he was a moderate who was moderate because it got him votes, not because he believed in the same ideals as a centrist Democrat.

    This is bad because the GOP is waking up to the corrupt and criminal in their ranks. It is bad because the GOP realises, like we have for the last four years, that power can not be held without honestly fighting from a genuine moral high ground. It is bad because they are saying, “We don’t care about the money… You’re a bad apple. Get out.”

    I have great respect for Congressman Udall. I think he is up to this fight. But now, this will not be a simple fight against a typical, corrupt GOP challenger (the real reason we have a Speaker Pelosi now). Now it will be a fight for the heart and soul of what Colorado really is. Are we really blue and believe the progressive ideals are best? Are we actually very conservative, and have just been waiting for leaders who can walk the talk?

    With McInnis in the race we’d never know. Now, I think we will.

    1. …but I think I like it!

      (Um, so, does that mean you DON’T eat tofu?)

      Your comments are spot on.  This is the dazzling right/left showdown in Colorado we’ve all been waiting for.  There will be no primaries–just two candidates who represent real conservatism and real liberalism in a state that is very much in limbo.  Schaffer vs. Udall.  Red vs. Blue. Conservative vs. liberal.

      *Ding* *Ding* *Ding*

      1. Which is the substance of this, and virtually all, of your comments, Dobby.

        So, can you come up with any reason why being against ref I was pro-family? Other than your parroted talking points about it being all about the kiddies? Can you site those “studies” you mentioned?

        Or, do you still thing all the US attorneys fired by Gonzalez were incompetent and that politics had nothing to do with their ouster? How about 18 days’ worth of missing emails? Reminds me of Nixon’s missing 18 minutes of tape. As Ned Flanders would say, that put the “dink” in “coinkydink.”

    2. Very, very good observations, BCGD. I enjoyed your list of waffling politician’s examples, but have to take issue with Al Gore “Inventing the internet.”

      He was certainly fundamental in helping get funding for this medium that we are communicating with.

      Here’s what Snopes has to say, complete with original quote that the Righties twisted and spread.

      http://www.snopes.co

      1. I really didn’t want to throw a rock at our favorite Oscar winner, nor at Kerry who say what you may, was victimized by a small part of an otherwise honorable combat stint. I was really trying to point out how once the impression of dishonesty has been made, it is very hard to shake.

  2. Who the heck wants to back to the old insurance system?  I can’t figure out how to put a link under the regular text, but it’s in the Rocky today.  What gives?

    Here’s the link (in its long form): http://www.rockymoun

    Does someone want to explain to me why this is a good idea?  Sounds like higher rates all around.

        1. … trial attorneys?  Hey, if you’re not getting the same-sized judgements you once were, just get them to pass a law making sure that everyone has to carry extra insurance to chip into the pot.

        2. but whenever you see a bill that will cost the majority of people in the state more money with no real benefit, you can bet there is a special interest group that will benefit from it.

      1. Thanks for the link.  Like all mandates that lead to higher costs/rates it’s essentially a regressive tax increase.  If you own a car, you’re paying. 

    1. Where the lower rates are?  My rates never once went down through the switch to at-fault insurance; in fact, they continued to go up.

      BTW, Eric the Red – trial lawyers would be hurt by a return to no-fault insurance.  At-fault means you sue to get your settlement; no-fault means your insurer pays regardless of who’s at fault (and it theoretically evens out over time – yah, right…)

      As far as my bills are concerned, this isn’t a big deal.

      1. My little trick is to keep EVERYTHING I have, house, bikes, trucks, boats, campers, everything insured with one State Farm agent. We even have four life insurance policies with him, so my rates are great.
        But the one thing he did tell me is to NOT drop my million dollar umbrella policy. I was going to drop it after my last kid moved out, figuring my chances of getting sued were somewhat less. But my agent told me with the changes in the no-fault, that I would be real wise to keep it.
        So I do. No biggy.

        1. To say nothing of having to sue in some cases that would have just been paid out under no fault.  And the industry absolutely has done cost shifting, putting the burden onto regular health insurers.  So, at the end of the day, the moeny you save with the car insurance gets added to the bill over at Kaiser with your employer.

          Anyone who can afford to drive a car is a fool to not have the Med Pay coverage, and pretty healthy at that.  I think mine costs about $50 year for a bunch.  If I have a passenger w/o his own health insurance, and he gets hurt, I’m protected. 

          My rates – and quality of coverage – went down with tort, but by year three it was ready to pass the previous high point under no fault.

          Other than not paying for aromatherapy, there is no magic bullet. 

            1. …of what was covered under No Fault.  I’m not sure it was, it was oftened bandied about as an example of money spent for worthless therapies.

              I would bet that if you added up all of the flaky therapies it wouldn’t amount to the proverbial hill of beans.  Just like all the harping about trial lawyers are the reason we pay so much for health insurace.  The reality is that ALL legal actions in the health care field are about 1% of the national bill.

              I prefer the scent of camellias, just in case. 

              1. As it is right now, I can shop around (I purchase my own health insurance). 

                Under this, it’s state mandated, one-size-fits-all.  That’s bad for anyone who already has insurance and bad for anyone who wants some choice in what they get.  (i.e., me.)

                I’d rather not having the state telling me that I have to spend an extra $200 (or even $50) a year on insurance that I already have. 

                I’m fired up on this one because it’s going to cost me some actual dollars.

                1. someone, somewhere, somehow pays for it.  It’s you with your auto insurance, or your employer (if you are lucky enough to have one with benefits) with health coverage, or your health carrier stuck in the middle and then charging higher rates, the other guy, or the taxpayer.  Ain’t no free lunch and no use pretending.

                  The government is our representatives, and they have mandated auto insurance.  Do I hate that with 45 years of driving with one accident deemed the other driver’s fault?  I’m paying $700-$1100 a year, historically, for what?  I feel your pay, but that’s the law.  Philosophically, I just call it a tax on driving, like the license plate fees and those damned street sweeping tickets in Denver.

                  You do have choice.  All that bill would do is put a floor, very minimal, on medical.  No where near reality except for a few copays, I think.  As poor as I am, I choose to pay $50 a year so that I don’t get stuck with a lawsuit or bills.

  3. I’m trying to figure out if rumors I’m hearing in Colorado Springs are true that Wayne Williams is seriously thinking about becoming a candidate.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  Knowing Wayne I can see him arrogantly putting his hat in the ring.  Anyone else hearing this ???

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