UPDATE: Bob Beauprez plants what presidential hopeful Mitt Romney hopes isn’t the kiss of death (from an email delivered moments ago):
Because we believe that the next presidential election will be a defining moment in shaping the future of this nation, we have taken the unusual step of making an early commitment to the person we are convinced should be elected President in 2008. His name is Mitt Romney.
Whew!
Former Rep. Bob Beauprez reassured Republicans at the State Capitol yesterday that he is still active in politics. As the Rocky Mountain News reports:
Beauprez joked with House Republicans that after losing a lopsided election to Democrat Bill Ritter in November some people made him feel “a little like the corpse in the coffin.”
“But we did not die. The sun did come up the next day…and we’re going to live to fight another day,” Beauprez said, drawing applause and knowing laughter from the House Republicans Caucus.
“We get the same thing in our caucus, Bob. We understand,” said Caucus Chairman Rep. Bill Cadman R-Colorado Springs. Statehouse Republicans, after a long stretch as the party in power, are also biding their time as a feisty minority and plotting their own political resurrection.
Beauprez said he is about to unveil a new free-market and traditional-values-friendly charitable foundation, and is blogging on his new “common-sense” public policy Web site (alineofsight.com). He won’t rule out a run for the U.S. Senate in 2008.
You’ve got to give Beauprez credit for one thing: He has shown an amazing ability to continually get stories written about him that discuss how he’s “not dead yet” (insert “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” voice here).
Great. We get it. You’re still around. Whatever.
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At last! A “charitable” organization to promote free markets and traditional values! Evidently, no one else has found the link between those those before.
Probably will be just as “non-profit” as DeLay’s, just another cover for slush fund raising and partying.
Did someone say party? I hope I get invited. Just received his email asking all of us R’s to donate and support Mitt. I’ll jump right on that as soon as I see some of those “party” invitations.
As they should, since they have more of the money!
let him run for the Senate in ’08.
Is that the new headline?
with Multiple-Choice’s record on taxes. From “The Hill”: he increased fees in the state by $500 million and proposed nearly $400 million in business tax increases. The CATO Institute gave him a grade of “C” overall which ranked him behind Governor Bill Richardson on taxes.
http://thehill.com/l…
And, by the way, if you were curious or whatever, Bob’s going to be our next junior Senator. Of course he’s not running next year–that seat’s in reserves for the other Bob. But come 2010 it’s Elway vs. Ritter and Beauprez vs. Salazar…
Beauprez is a formiddable candidate. He won twice in a Democrat-leaning, gerrymandered district that liberal Ed Perlmutter won by 12 points. That says something to me. The Bob Beauprez you saw in 2006 was not the Bob Beauprez that was the state’s top GOP star just two years prior. When the real Bob Beauprez please stands up he will be a force.
And then went on to lose big time in a basically conservative, red state like Colorado!
Dobby, we have heard that ridiculous phrase enough. First we heard from you that it was Shaffer, then McInnis, then Shaffer again, now Beauprez ?
You do have ADD Dobby.
went by the name Mark. Does his family call him “Bob” in the privacy of their home?
Whatever you call him, he will be a fantastic senator!
Speaking of Dobson, did you see that he has determined that former Senator Fred Thompson is not a Christian? What a loon…
Dobson said of Thompson. “[But] I don’t think he’s a Christian; at least that’s my impression.”
http://www.usnews.co…
By ‘Christian,’ Dobson is referring to a born-again, evangelical believer. It’s a subtlety–one of many–that exists in evangelical linguistics.
Coming back from Israel recently I sat next to a missionary in Gaza from Colorado. I wasn’t sure if he was speaking Arabic or evangelicalese so I decided to shout “Hail Mary, Mother of our Lord.” If he rolled his eyes I would know that he’s just a Muslim rolling his eyes at another infidel. But if he started twitching uncontrollably and possibly throwing his beef and cheese airplane meal at me I would know he was really an evangelical missionary. Well, sure enough he really started freaking out and I still can’t get the damn cheese out of the designer jacket I had just bought–he threw it so hard!
I really did sit next to an missionary who really did speak evangelicalese. But no Swiss was spilled. My point is only that though evangelicals speak english, technically, they really do have their own lingo that is far above the heads of even most Christians.
I find it quite annoying.
that that would be one of Dobson’s “non-Godlike” qualities…
That you are very fluent in Evangelese.
Like in Airplane, “Why yes, I speak Jive.”
article (before I posted it), and as a Christian, I don’t accept Dobbie’s distinction–I also don’t think that the majority of Americans (or Christians) do either.
If Thompson isn’t sufficiently “born-again and evangelical” in his Christian beliefs to satisfy Dobbie, he should say, “Fred Thompson is not sufficiently born-again and evangelical in his Christian beliefs to satisfy my requirements as the self-appointed Christian tester for the United States” instead of simply declaring “..he is not a Christian”.
Dobbie is, quite simply, not operating on all eight cylinders. By my count, as the self-appointed cylinder tester for the United States, he’s operating on about 2 of his allotted 8.
So if you aren’t a “born-again, evangelical believer” you are not a Christian? That’s not called a subtlety Dobby, thats called fucking idiotic.
Many Protestants, particularly evangelicals, believe that in order to obtain Christ’s saving grace you have to be ‘born again.’ That means you come to a point where you consciously ‘give your life over to Christ.’ You become ‘born again.’ If you don’t go through that experience, evangelicals would say, you haven’t yet become a Christian. And don’t get too upset about the evangelical part. Christians, by the simple nature of being Christians, are evangelicals as the faith is a universal one centered on spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ.
NOW…
I, like ‘most Americans’ that my friend Jose cites above, don’t accept that. I don’t accept the notion of salvation being where you walk up the aisle making a decision for Christ. It makes me uneasy. I’m a Calvinist who believes that either Christ is at the core of your life or not and being ‘born again’ is not tear-filled altar call at your local mega-church. I think Catholics are Christians as are Methodists, Baptists, and the rest of ’em whether or not they do altar calls. So does James Dobson. But he was using evangelicalese with the secular media (dumb! dumb! dumb!). Fred Thompson does not appear to be the ‘born again’ believer President Bush is, for example. In that sense he is not a ‘Christian’ in the way evangelicals use the term. But I highly doubt Dobson is questioning Thompson’s salvation. That would be a heady and rather ridiculous conjecture that Dobson is not known for.
I’ve never really liked the definition of “born-again” that most fundagelicals use – to quote you, “[a] tear-filled altar call at your local mega-church.” My own experience is quite personal and not something I can describe short of a sort of “touched by God” experience; merely devoting your life to Christ-as-church (aka your local mega-church pastor’s preachings), while it may (or may not) be Noble And Good, isn’t the same…
I think what SpongeDob is really speaking is that F. Thompson isn’t a member of an acceptable sect (he’s UCC).
Doesn’t that put Thompson just one notch above being a Wiccan?
Mitt Romney might as well be a member of a cargo cult, in Dr. Dobson’s eyes.
it’s high time we elected someone distinctly NOT Christian! Personally, I’d prefer a Satanist, or at least a pagan, just to draw a stark enough contrast. A scholarly atheist would do, in a pinch. Agnostics are too wishy-washy: Might be mistaken for an “undecided.” Hindus are okay: It’s about time we had someone in office concerned with their Kharma. A Buddhist wouldn’t do enough to combat obesity in America (I mean, just look at the guy…). A Muslim would do wonders for our international reputation, and would be a hoot, besides! Still, I think in the end, I would vote for an animist above all others. Get back to basics, ya know what I mean?
ANYONE but another frickin’ Christian!
Keep in mind that, as far as diversity among are presidents go, all but one has been Protestant, and as far as I know, pretty mainstream Protestant at that (Methodist, Episcopal, Baptist, Lutheran, but no Pentecostals, 7th Day Adventists, Mennonites, maybe even no Quakers). I may be wrong about the less mainstream denominations being represented in the White House but I know that we’ve had 42 Protestants and one Catholic so far.
we have had a couple of Unitarians (Both Adamses) and Taft.
As one myself, I’m embarrassed for both administrations.
Nixon was in the Navy during WWII. Not very Quakerly, although WWII did cause the most dissension ever in the ranks. And actually, Nixon did a lot of social good.
Hoover was a great humanitarian when it came to the hungry in Europe, but he turned his back on the American hungry. He believed that if you gave food or money to the workers, that it would make them weak. So, he gave it to corporations, which mostly, promptly folded.
Think of how exotic that would be. Watching the State of the Union address being given……in tongues!
(Main Stream Protestant Religion)
Washington was a deist. He attended Anglican church with his wife but never took communion.
Jefferson, a nominal Unitarian. This says it better than me: “Like many others of his time ….., Jefferson was a Unitarian in theology, though not in church membership. He never joined a Unitarian congregation: there were none near his home in Virginia during his lifetime. He regularly attended Joseph Priestley’s Pennsylvania church when he was nearby, and said that Priestley’s theology was his own, and there is no doubt Priestley should be identified as Unitarian. Jefferson remained a member of the Episcopal congregation near his home, but removed himself from those available to become godparents, because he was not sufficiently in agreement with the trinitarian theology. His work, The Jefferson Bible, was Unitarian in theology.” http://www.famousuus…
Lincoln, a known “Free Thinker.”
The common denominator of the three above is that they gave great credence to the teachings of Jesus, but weren’t terribly impressed by the various churches.
Reagan: Pretended great piety, did everything in his power to kick the poor and downtrodden and help the rich. A plutocrat in Christian clothing.
Thompson is not UCC. He is Church of Christ–not UNITED Church of Christ. That one word makes a huge difference theologically. (I know, I am UCC and Barack Obama is the only UCCer seeking the presidency right now).
When I first read “UCC,” my initial thought was the Uniform Commercial Code, but that didn’t sound right.
Then I inadvertently misread the letters and thought that Fred Thompson was a “UU,” which would really send the Fundies and the Evangenuts over the edge since UUs are secular humanists at prayer.
Finally, when the alphabet soup going through my brain settled, United Church of Christ was clearly spelled out.
Still, it’s pretty left wing for a Republican. Thompson would be better off professing to be a “Gecko agnostic” than a member of UCC.
And one that makes it all the more absurd that (the real) Dr. Dobson is questioning his Christianity.
That was about as clear as mud Dobby. Who the fuck is FOF, being a somewhat kooky fringe offset of Christianity, to tell ANYONE who is a Christian and who is not ? Are they the arbiters of all Christianity now ? Does the Pope need to confer with Dobson now ?
And if so, how was this magical power suddenly vested in Focus on the Family? Did Dobson pull a sword out of a lake ? You’ve lost it.
But he has as much of a right to make himself out to be a self aggrandizing jerk as much as anyone else. These people are the same…who is Al Sharpton to question whether Obama is black enough? What’s the difference between questioning if someone is religous enough as opposed to say….Republican enough? People will raise these questions on both sides, and all we can hope for is that the majority of people will have enough common sense to look at the situation themselves and make their own judgements. I respect what FOF stands for, but I wouldn’t give Dobson a hot sack of crap to hear what he thinks about who I should vote for.
That’s the price of free speech.
Did Al Sharpton really question Obama’s “blackness”? I hope not. That puts Sharpton in the same league with Alan Keyes who raised that “issue” during their ’04 Senate race.
Not the kind of company Sharpton should be keeping….
Dobson has that right just as much as Al Sharpton (make that two people I detest) to say what he wants, and that’s the price of free speech. However, he has absolutely zero legitimacy to say someone is not “Christian” without his imprimatur. That is beyond arrogant.
Finally, I am always in full support of any reference to hot sack of crap on this blog !
“Hot sack of crap” is one that isn’t used nearly as much as it should be.
I’ll try and find the link about Sharpton questioning Obama’s blackness.
I’d put Dobson in the same catagory as Sharpton. They can always cause a stir, but hardly anyone listens with the intent to obey
I’ll add this to the diaries too.
http://www.spiegel.d…
http://www.suntimes….
It’s been known to happen before with some of Dobson’s colleagues. Does everyone remember when Jerry Fallwell announced that Jews shouldn’t bother praying because God doesn’t listen to them?
“When the real Bob Beauprez please stands up he will be a force.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
When Bob stands up I just hope it’s by the back end of a horse again! The GOP can do better.
Please, please BWB; run for Senate! Think of all the money (not to mention stress) Dems could save with you as the opponent. Pinch me, I must be dreaming! Thank you in advance.
that he will be headlining a fundraiser for the Beauprez for Senate fundraiser to kick off the campaign.
Steve Forbes came out today in support of Rudy Giuliani. I wonder if the top three Rs are stinging from Thompson’s splash in the polls this week and are trying to stop the bleeding by asking people to come out with endorsements.
Yeah, right. So what does Dobson believe–has someone who has not been ‘born again’ worthy of political office?
He really gets under your skin, doesn’t he? I figured it would have ended with such a crushing defeat, but there it is….
I beg to differ. The Monty Python voice is not as good as Glenn Cambell, Texas Ranger, leaning over the snake pit in “True Grit” declaring to John Wayne, “I’m not ded yitt”. Glenn’s character died shortly thereafter, but not before saving the day.