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NYFD in a 13 minute video: Giuliani exploits our 9/11 sacrifice for his own gain.
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For a Republican, Rudy still rocks. Granted, it’ll be close as to which of the two….Rudy or Mitt….is a more shameless opportunist, but Rudy has stuck to his political positions on controversial social issues whereas Mitt has pirouetted on a dime to change his positions in the name of expediency.
Giuliani’s opportunism is simply that he will engage in tasteless exploitation of human suffering to pull a few votes. Then again, what successful politician in history has declined to do this?
The man has exploited 9/11 to make millions and you think he rocks? He’s a despicable person with no conscience.
Can you suggest a better alternative for the Mayor of NYC? I mean, do you expect him to say “I am really proud of the way we got trans-fats outlawed! I am a health WARRIOR!”
Maybe he could have done some things with more tact, but overall I just can’t believe people actually expect him to avoid 9/11 as an issue with which he dealt!
He could tell the truth! He could stop playing the “I’m the Savior” of the day and the only person who can protect you from the terrorists BS Card.
He’s exploiting one of the worst moments in our history for political and financial gain, and all the while lying about his role.
He can start by telling the truth.
I do expect him to use it sparingly, with the reverence that it deserves and not as a political football. Saying “September 11” three times in six seconds to open a speech and drumming up his ultra-police-state rhetoric is more than I want.
and with that I can agree. I appreciate your constructive comments PR where you lay out reasonable expectations.
Are you buying into the partisan line spewed by the “Fire Fighter’s” association?
My family is from long island, I have many family friends in the FDNY. They HATE rudy. They blame him for the radios and the recovery.
My dad is an elected GOP official(School board chairman), he’s not a D partisan and he hears it all the time.
The union may lean left, but for FDNY this is not about partisanship.
Is that the guy who made the comment is a strict partisan lefty. If the accusations are true, they need to come from someone who isn’t going to be written off as a partisan hack.
So, do you feel dirty when you agree with your dad? 😉 Or is he the reason you’re a Dem?
I still feel the good in him.
Not all Reps are bad 🙂
There are several guys, firefighters all, taking Rudy to task in the video.
heal thyself!
The town he lives in lost 1 firefighter on 9-11. They were lucky, the next town over lost 27.
The guy they lost was from a traditional firefighting family. Dad was firefighter, 2 of his brothers were firefighters, one black sheep brother was a cop. So Rudy wanted to come to the funeral and was going to take a helicopter to town (its about 30-45 minute drive from Manhatten). They wanted to land the helicopter on one of the schools athletic fields so they called my dad since he was school board chair to arrange it. After about 30 minutes of scrambling my dad gets a call from Rudy’s people telling him to forget it. Apparantly the family told Rudy’s people the mayor wouldn’t be welcome.
Its not political, its personal.
It’s been brought up here before: the union which put together that YouTube video, the International Association of Fire Fighters, often supports Democratic candidates. They are a union, after all; the largest union of firefighters in America; and unions usually do back Democrats. But do they only endorse Democrats? No: they supported, for governor, Republicans in Florida and Vermont, as well.
But, of course, anything to do with unions causes many Republicans to froth at the mouth with invectives. So I understand the knee-jerk instinct of many Republicans to attack the messenger here.
However, as you’ve pointed out, many, many firefighter in New York City hate Giuliani’s guts, purely and simply, because of his 9/11 actions. And they don’t feel that way just because a union is telling them to.
Yes, Democrats, who froth at the mouth with invectives about unions, too.
Don’t want to be seen as partisan in my analysis. 🙂
are screwed this year. They need a fresh face bad and I’m sorry but there is nothing fresh about FT either.
But Mitt is – this week at least – the one with the least fecal matter flying his way.
Now whether or not Republicans will actually vote for him given his recent gubernatorial history and subsequent flip-flopping, I don’t know.
now this is no holds bared, anything goes, capitalism
I really hate this oh I care, earth conscious hippy values shtick, and then he gets caught being an underhanded shitbag (so, so Boulder except he’s from Austin). This is no different than the repubs and all of their sanctimonius family values – take a whore and gay masseuse with meth shenanigans. And their stock is still a piece of crap lately.
….that supported Bush and showed a strong libertarian streaks….includind disdain for the values of most of his customers?
I hope to hell the merger doesn’t go through; I would hate to think that every time I buy from what might become the only natural food chain I am contributing to that asshole’s pay.
Thank god for Sunflower.
Al Gore is coming to Denver again on Oct. 2. This time, he’s presenting his slideshow at the Wells Fargo Theater at the CO Conv. Ctr.
It looks like tix will be $39.50 with the exception of a very limited # of VIP seats at $500 a pop – almost sounds like a campaign fundraiser, doesn’t it???
Hope so.
A cheap fundraiser…but a fundraiser nonetheless.
That sounds an awful lot like a fundraiser. But if it is, he needs to find a campaign warchest to put it in… so far he hasn’t revealed one of those.
McCain’s Florida campaign chair demonstrating Republican family values. And he’s a cheapskate to boot – $20.00.
any word yet on how much Vitter was paying at Pamela Martin & Associates for “companionship”?
lead to conservatism? Just a thought… brought on by the plethora of anti-gay gays and pro-family values philanderers and johns that keep popping out of Republican closets with such relentless regularity.
McCain also got caught calling donors from the Senate cloakroom. No word on whether or not he solicited donations or not, but it’s hard to imagine him calling donors and just going “how ya doin’?” It is, BTW, a violation of Federal Law to make solicitation calls from the Senate building – no matter whose phone you use.
Bad day for McCain, that’s for sure.
I can’t believe what that guy in FL was doing though…pretty sad
I’m not sure he could find a hooker to let him grope her for $20.
True that…
Story didn’t say.
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Number 1 a couple of times is a Bail Bond company. We must have a lot of elected Republicans on this site 🙂
For God’s sake, lets not impeach these bastards and then criminally charge them for what they they’ve done to our sons and daughters and the people of Iraq. It would be too tough to sell to the public:
“It would always be an AK because they have so many of these lying around,” said Joe Hatcher, 26, a scout with the 4th Calvary Regiment. He revealed the army also planted 9mm handguns and shovels to make it look like the civilians were shot while digging a hole for a roadside bomb.
“Every good cop carries a throwaway,” Hatcher said of weapons planted on innocent victims in incidents that occurred while he was stationed between Tikrit and Samarra, from February 2004 to March 2005. Any survivors were sent to jail for interrogation.
There were also deaths caused by the reckless behaviour of military convoys. Sgt Kelly Dougherty of the Colorado National Guard described a hit-and-run in which a military convoy ran over a 10-year-old boy and his three donkeys, killing them all. “Judging by the skid marks, they hardly even slowed down. But, I mean… your order is that you never stop.”
The worst abuses seem to have been during raids on private homes when soldiers were hunting insurgents. Thousands of such raids have taken place, usually at dead of night. The veterans point out that most are futile and serve only to terrify the civilians, while generating sympathy for the resistance.
Sgt John Bruhns, 29, of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Armoured Division, described a typical raid. “You want to catch them off guard,” he explained. “You want to catch them in their sleep … You grab the man of the house. You rip him out of bed in front of his wife. You put him up against the wall… Then you go into a room and you tear the room to shreds. You’ll ask ‘Do you have any weapons? Do you have any anti-US propaganda?’
“Normally they’ll say no, because that’s normally the truth,” Sgt Bruhns said. “So you’ll take his sofa cushions and dump them. You’ll open up his closet and you’ll throw all the clothes on the floor and basically leave his house looking like a hurricane just hit it.” And at the end, if the soldiers don’t find anything, they depart with a “Sorry to disturb you. Have a nice evening”.
Sgt Dougherty described her squad leader shooting an Iraqi civilian in the back in 2003. “The mentality of my squad leader was like, ‘Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don’t have to kill them back in Colorado’,” she said. “He just seemed to view every Iraqi as a potential terrorist.”
‘It would always happen. We always got the wrong house…’
“People would make jokes about it, even before we’d go into a raid, like, ‘Oh fuck, we’re gonna get the wrong house’. Cause it would always happen. We always got the wrong house.”
Sergeant Jesus Bocanegra, 25, of Weslaco, Texas 4th Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour that began in March 2003
“I had to go tell this woman that her husband was actually dead. We gave her money, we gave her, like, 10 crates of water, we gave the kids, I remember, maybe it was soccer balls and toys. We just didn’t really know what else to do.”
Lieutenant Jonathan Morgenstein, 35, of Arlington, Virginia, Marine Corps civil affairs unit. In Ramadi from August 2004 to March 2005
“We were approaching this one house… and we’re approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it’s doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it… So I see this dog – I’m a huge animal lover… this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he’s running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I’m at a loss for words.”
Specialist Philip Chrystal, 23, of Reno, 3rd Battalion, 116th Cavalry Brigade. In Kirkuk and Hawija on 11-month tour beginning November 2004
“I’ll tell you the point where I really turned… [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little two-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs and she has a bullet through her leg… An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me… like asking me why. You know, ‘Why do I have a bullet in my leg?’… I was just like, ‘This is, this is it. This is ridiculous’.”
Specialist Michael Harmon, 24, of Brooklyn, 167th Armour Regiment, 4th Infantry Division. In Al-Rashidiya on 13-month tour beginning in April 2003
“I open a bag and I’m trying to get bandages out and the guys in the guard tower are yelling at me, ‘Get that fuck haji out of here,’… our doctor rolls up in an ambulance and from 30 to 40 meters away looks out and says, shakes his head and says, ‘You know, he looks fine, he’s gonna be all right,’ and walks back… kind of like, ‘Get your ass over here and drive me back up to the clinic’. So I’m standing there, and the whole time both this doctor and the guards are yelling at me, you know, to get rid of this guy.”
Specialist Patrick Resta, 29, from Philadelphia, 252nd Armour, 1st Infantry Division. In Jalula for nine months beginning March 2004
‘Every person opened fire on this kid, using the biggest weapons we could find…’
“Here’s some guy, some 14-year-old kid with an AK47, decides he’s going to start shooting at this convoy. It was the most obscene thing you’ve ever seen. Every person got out and opened fire on this kid. Using the biggest weapons we could find, we ripped him to shreds…”
Sergeant Patrick Campbell, 29, of Camarillo, California, 256th Infantry Brigade. In Abu Gharth for 11 months beginning November 2004
“Cover your own butt was the first rule of engagement. Someone could look at me the wrong way and I could claim my safety was in threat.”
Lieutenant Brady Van Engelen, 26, of Washington DC, 1st Armoured Division. Eight-month tour of Baghdad beginning Sept 2003
“I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, ‘A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi… You know, so what?’… [Only when we got home] in… meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then.”
Specialist Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado, 3rd Brigade, 1st Infantry. In Baquba for a year beginning February 2004
“[The photo] was very graphic… They open the body bags of these prisoners that were shot in the head and [one soldier has] got a spoon. He’s reaching in to scoop out some of his brain, looking at the camera and smiling.”
Specialist Aidan Delgado, 25, of Sarasota, Florida, 320th Military Police Company. Deployed to Talil air base for one year beginning April 2003
“The car was approaching what was in my opinion a very poorly marked checkpoint… and probably didn’t even see the soldiers… The guys got spooked and decided it was a possible threat, so they shot up the car. And they [the bodies] literally sat in the car for the next three days while we drove by them.
Sergeant Dustin Flatt, 33, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. One-year from February 2004
“The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population…”
Sergeant Camilo MejГa, 31, from Miami, National Guardsman, 1-124 Infantry Battalion, 53rd Infantry Brigade. Six-month tour beginning April 2003
“I just remember thinking, ‘I just brought terror to someone under the American flag’.”
Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour beginning February 2004
“A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don’t speak English and they have darker skin, they’re not as human as us, so we can do what we want.”
Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division. Four-month tour in Baghdad and Mosul beginning December 2004
“I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned.”
Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry. In Balad for 11 months beginning March 2004