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September 10, 2013 06:49 AM UTC

Recall Special Election Day Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

"Every election must have a bogy man. If you haven't got a programme, a bogy man will do."

–Aneurin Bevan 

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23 thoughts on “Recall Special Election Day Open Thread

  1. Was the NYT anti-Semitic in today's editorial regarding Mayor Bloomberg?  Did their editors not pay any attention in history class (or even Shakespeare) to the centuries of historical slurs and obscene caricatures of Jews as being two-faced, untrustworthy, and duplicitous??!!??

     

    EDITORIAL

    The Two Bloombergs

     

    By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

     

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/opinion/the-two-bloombergs.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

    Published: September 9, 2013

     

    I await the deserved thorough take-down of the New York Times and its editors by Alva and many of our members today . . . 

     

    (OK, snark and sarcasm aside — it's actually a very good editorial.  And, it goes a long way towards showing how our political-class members can simulataneously be our heroes in one moment, and completely out-of-touch notchdoozzles in the very next . . .  As Paul Simon once sang, it's just apartment-house logic, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor" )

    1. Nothing anti-Semitic in calling Bloomberg, as an individual, a complete ass hat. Politicians almost always appear in ads and lit with their families so to say it's racist if  do so while being white  with an African american wife  and mixed so you have mixed kids is ridiculous. His attitude that way to help the poor is to do more for the rich who "pay the bills" shows that he lives far too much in his own little billionaire world or he'd know that it's a well payed working middle class that creates a vibrant economy capable of paying the bills. 

      Definitely an ass hat. Now if the NYT called him a Jew ass hat, the way my uncle calls Obama that black bastard in the White House… that would be anti-Semitic.

      1. I'm going to take a vacation from commenting. I have obviously completely lost it editing. Here's how I meant this to read:

        Nothing anti-Semitic in calling Bloomberg, as an individual, a complete ass hat. Politicians almost always appear in ads and lit with their families so to say it's racist if you do so while being white with an African American wife and mixed kids is ridiculous. His attitude that the way to help the poor is to do more for the rich who "pay the bills" shows that he lives far too much in his own little billionaire world or he'd know that it's a well payed working middle class that creates a vibrant economy capable of paying the bills. 

         

        Definitely an ass hat. Now if the NYT called him a Jew ass hat, the way my uncle calls Obama that black bastard in the White House… that would be anti-Semitic.

        Hope that's a little more coherent. Apologize if it's still got mistakes and I'm going to stick to just reading the blog for a while.

    1. I'm sorry but I see so many out of control kids in the company of their parents in public places, I don't think it's fair to place primary blame on teachers for behavior issues. The teacher gets kids who are already molded by their parents. often parents are hostile to any criticism of their kids and are actively hostile to teachers' attempts to "change anti-social behavior of students" denying that there's anything wrong with their child's behavior. 

      I agree teachers are in a position to help or hurt but, by the time kids reach teachers, the people with the primary responsibility, parents, have already had more influence on their progeny than anyone. Parents are more responsible for kids' anti-social behavior than any teacher ever could be. If more parents did their job, teachers could concentrate on theirs; teaching.

      1. It's everyone. But I did learn that how my kids act at school was in many ways very different from how they acted around me. Never in a bad way, but often in very surprising ways. Yes parents can do more, but the teachers also need to be heavily involved.

        And at a minimum, even if they can't control what the kids say, and there will always be some kids you can't control, they can still make it clear that they find that behavior unacceptable and provide active support to the kids being hazed.

        1. David – I agree with you and BlueCat.  But the most telling thing in the article for me is where the author explains that she suggested her daugher talk to the teacher about her problems, offered to talk to the teacher, and offered to talk to the class. Her daughter choose to do nothing.  That was her choice.

          But, after the fact, for the parent to blame the teacher for not doing anything is tough to swallow.  All students, especially teens, must learn to advocate for themselves.  It is as an important skill to learn in high school as any. If you do not express what you want, you will rarely get what you want.  

        2. Plenty of parents are proud that their kids are the dominant ones who intimidate others, encourage them to stay on top of the Darwinian heap and don't even think of  teaching them that they are absolutely required to treat everyone with kindness and respect. 

          From what I've seen, bullies are raised to be bullies. Teachers should definitely not tolerate unacceptable behavior but it's parents who, in my opinion, are responsible for either encouraging or tolerating that behavior in the first place. Setting aside clinical issues which are not the parents fault, parents are the only ones who can raise kids to be respectful and kind.  The best anyone else can do is not tolerate the bad behavior  that naturally results when parents fail to do their job. 

          All you have to do is go to a Little League or soccer game to see the kind of behavior so many parents model for their kids.Teachers with several of these poorly raised, mean, aggressive kids in each classroom can't be expected to "fix" them,  especially with hostility instead of help from the parents who treat teachers as badly as they treat refs and umpires. 

          Teachers are there to teach the subject matter and when they spend too much time dong anything else, like trying to make up for lousy parenting, they're going to pay with low evaluations and maybe get themselves canned. There are only so many hours in a day.

          I wonder if your kids, David, have picked up on the contempt for the teaching profession you've been making so obvious on this blog for years. You just love posting any article that trashes teachers while you never fail to imply that your kids are just super perfect darlings.  

          It's no wonder so many great teachers get so fed up they bail to go into more lucrative and appreciated lines of work after a few years of abuse and disrespect. Not exactly the way to attract and retain the best. 

          Apologize in advance for editing errors. Too annoyed to spend enough time going over it.

      2. I am in complete agreement with your point, BC.

        In my mid-twenties, after a brief career with school district RE-1J in Montrose, I worked as a director at a Boys' Clubs of America facility.

        It was so frustrating to begin to start getting through to some of the more troubled and difficult boys (no girls in those days), only to watch them go home to the root of the problem, where you have no input.

        Any person who acts as a mentor, teacher, Big Brother or, really,  any person of trust and authority has a responsibility to take an active role in the childs' personal growth. Occasionally, you get lucky and a kid turns around, but nothing is more important than the parent(s) input and the family dynamics. 

  2. For an off election year this has been really exciting for political geeks.  We'll know at the end of the day whether recalls or the threat of recalls with be the strategy de jour for disgruntled groups or will the all powerful NRA finally get blown away by sensible gun regulations.

  3. "Vote Yes on Recall" people getting ugly in Pueblo! Tailing and threatening canvassers in big pick up truck teams! One truck with a large "Vote Yes" sign made of hand-painted plywood in his truck bed was following "Vote No" canvassers. Another stuck his head in a canvasser's car window and said he was her "worst nightmare." Classy!

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