NBC News' Rachel Maddow explored the modern history of recalls, and this week's recall elections in Colorado in a segment we highly recommend–not least because Colorado Pols coverage features prominently. The details begin about two and a half minutes into this 18 minute clip:
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Hickenlooper is waffling on the mag ban. The Dems say Morgan Carroll might not be a shoo in for senate president. Everyone is asking how many Dems will vote for a mag ban repeal.
"A wave of fear." Long overdue.
Hickenlooper can waffle on the mag cap all he wants – it's already the law.
Democrats would be stupid to take up a repeal given they just passed the capacity limit. It won't gain them anything politically and would only give the NRA and RMGO another feather to put in their cap.
And I wouldn't count on a wave of Dems running to repeal either. For one thing, most have constituents who are for the cap.
I think a good compromise for Hickenlooper would be to increase the mag limit from 15 to 30. That would allow standard capacity mags for AR series weapons and would remove the issue over pistol magazines.
I bet that bill would get a lot of Democrats in support and Hick's signature. It would go a long way toward restoring faith with gun owners to remove this onerous law from the books. Smart Democrats had better think about it…
I think a better compromise would be for HIckinlooper to continue being the governor, and sign any legislation the Leglislature can come up with that isn't totally idiotic.
With all due respect, Moderatus, now is not the time to offer Democrats a compromise. I want all unconstitutional anti gun legislation passed this year repealed. Democrats are truly afraid now and we must not show weakness.
Total recall=total repeal. Nothing less will do!
You're right. Done!! That was pretty easy . . . (seeing how there never was any unconstitutional anti-gun legislation passed this year). Feeling a little better now, nubbby?
Save the eggs!
It's up to the courts and ultimately the Supreme Court to decide what is and isn't constitutional. It's not up to you. It's not up to politicians. All kinds of controls and limitations on the right to bear arms, as well as on all of our rights, have been held to be constitutional throughout our history.
Rights are never absolute because all rights must constantly bump into and negotiate with competing and even contradictory rights. Our constitution is addressed to flesh and blood people in a flesh and blood world contending with competing rights that are mutually limiting. It's not a magical document that suspends material reality.
"Democrats are truly afraid now and we must not show weakness."
Are you, like, 15 years old? What is it you think "Democrats" fear? …that the Republican party will succumb to the rabid hate demonstrated by your avatar? Not likely.
The give and take of local politics incorporates winners and losers on both sides. The dynamics of this recall election are well understood and serves as a wake up call to those (including myself) who underestimated the effectiveness of the voter suppression provided by the absence of mail-in ballots. Coupled with the obviously determined GOTV efforts of the gun nut crowd, this election provided a truly unfortunate result for two state senators. But it actually serves to enlighten…not frighten.
I suspect you have a vision of Democrats as a flock of terrified sheep, cowering while the Big, Bad, RMGO circles the flock. Keep thinking that way…please.
Oh…and I want to extend my personal thanks to you for posting here. You provide a daily reminder of just how juvenile and hateful you and the rest of your brethren can be. Party on, dude.
I've never quite figured out why anyone would need a semiautomatic hi cap rifle for home defense . And you can't really hunt with the things. The wave of fear starts well in front of the recall prompted by febrile imaginations.Handguns are even more idiotic. The average person is lucky to break glass from inside a greenhouse with a handgun.
And naturally that "compromise" would be warmly welcomed as a reasonable meeting in the middle by the NRA, Independence Institute, & RMGO, right?
Moderatus is already drunk on the GOP's new one issue platform for 2014:
More Gunz today, More Gunz Tomorrow, All GUNZ FOREVER!!!!
You're right. I won't support it, I want the mag ban fully repealed. I want Colorado jobs saved.
Oh, you want those constitutional, common-sense guns laws repealed, too? Ain't gonna' happen nubbby — back to the pouty-boys corner for!! Sorry (not really) . . .
Magpul is gone. Good riddance.
I wnt you to meet my former Ranger friend and learn a lesson in concealed carry.
The radical right wingers did get these two senators recalled, but these right wing gun nuts are still the LOSERS.
The gun laws are still laws of the land and the democrats still control the legislature and the governor's office. Colorado is still a blue state. Let's us do better in 2014 by kicking as many radical republicans out of their seats as possible. These gun nuts are still the minority in Colorado.
I thought that was a very interesting exchange on the Maddow show. Her analysis of off-year elections and low voter turn out favoring Republicans makes sense. However, there are way that democrats should have compensated for that. It also seems to me that if there were an inherent contradiction between the requirements for qualifiying for the ballot and requirements for mailing out ballots, that some analyst in the state legislature should have found it and a remedy found.
I like Stephen Smith. His point was well taken. In order to beat the extremist groups, one has to beat the extremist groups at the ballot…..a fact that is greeted with disbelief by the more hysterical members of the dem party…..
just for the record, my dear…his last name is Schmidt.
You are too kind. Thank you for the correction.
Maddow's argument that "nothing" changes and that the Senate majority in Colorado may wind up even more "leftist," displays her ignorance of Colorado politics. It is not about this session of the Colorado legislature, it is about the legislature that is sworn in after the 2014 elections.
I hope to hell that the Colorado recalls are not the harbinger of what is to come as the MA win in 2010 signaled the 2010 Republican sweep.