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February 27, 2008 09:34 PM UTC

Hillary v. Obama Debate: No Decision?

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  • by: Colorado Pols

As The New York Times reports:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton entered the final debate before Tuesday’s critical primaries with two imperative goals: Challenge Senator Barack Obama’s qualifications to lead the country and raise doubts about his ability to defeat a Republican opponent as experienced as Senator John McCain.

For most of 90 minutes, Mrs. Clinton grabbed at every opportunity to accomplish those goals. She questioned Mr. Obama’s foreign policy credentials. She attacked campaign mailings he had sent out about her as “misleading.” She criticized him as failing to reject explicitly the endorsement of his candidacy by Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam leader.

Yet by the end of the night, there was little evidence that Mrs. Clinton had produced the kind of ground-moving moment she needed that might shift the course of a campaign that polls suggest has been moving inexorably in Mr. Obama’s direction for weeks.

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24 thoughts on “Hillary v. Obama Debate: No Decision?

  1. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a candidate for office appear so angry on television as Hillary did in the first half of the debate. Enthusiastic, passionate, etc. is one thing, but coming across as a really mad, barely contained, glaring elementary school teacher right out of the worse cliche, practically ready–make that eager–to slap the wrists of everyone in the studio with her ruler–well, it wildly contradicted everything ever written about television being a “cool” medium. Whew! Quite a contrast to Obama who appeared entirely cool, collected, and yes, presidential. I don’t think HRC discovered something new that’s likely to set a new standard for candidates…to the contrary! If there was one word that emanated from her during the first 45 minutes it was FRUSTRATION, as in “I’m going to keep repeating this until you stupid children can understand, even if we have to stay after school!!! (or after the commercial break, as the case may have been). Could you imagine encountering that over, say, breakfast? For the first time I felt a twinge of sympathy for her husband circa 1997-98.

    1. One of the first polls I ever saw after she announced was that 50% of men would never vote for her.  I heard it on the news, so I don’t the background, but I do know that it wasn’t party specific.  The point is, she was already seen as an angry catholic school teacher, or nagging wife, the talking on TV thing just isn’t helping.

  2. She didn’t get it. Obama was just as specific on details and far more calm and collected.  

    None of Hillary’s cheap shots ruffled him, he was not afraid to say he agreed with her on certain stands and the moment when he agreed to reject AND denounce Farrakhan’s offer of support, since Hillary was trying to make a big deal out of denouncing not being as strong as rejecting(?), was priceless.  

    He didn’t need to change the momentum with this debate.  No change works fine for him.

  3. She was shrill, strident and defensive.

    He was calm, cool and collected.

    The difference in their behavior and even their body language was about as distinctive as it gets.  

    1. is also going from:

      “I am honored to be here with Barack Obama”

      TO

      “Shame on you, Barack Obama”

      within a week

      Its a little schizophrenic and unsettling.  Not what I’d want in a president.

      1. This will show people the Hillary Clinton she’ll bring to the White House. Some could see it powerful, others desperate, depending on your leanings. She comes off as lecturing instead of informing when she’s pressured enough.

        I don’t know what it’ll do to change undecided voters’ minds, but the entertainment value alone of more debates would be worth it.  

  4. Tim Russert!

    Russert was the “gotcha” man of the night, from Drudge, NAFTA, to Farakan. The candidates didn’t get a chance to debate with that egotistical maniac at the helm.

    I will say that Hillary’s “attempts” to be funny, fell flat. The whole SNL bit flew over the heads of a lot of people in Ohio, especially since most people do not watch SNL anymore, and those who do still watch, hissed when she referred to it.

    Besides for losing the debate on health care, NAFTA, the war, and much more, she can’t compete this:

    Watch out John McCain, the Million Donor Man is coming for you!

      1. “Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”

        Mmm Hmm.

        Link

        1. Would that be the same John McCain who opted into public financing until he decided to opt out?

          The same John McCain whose Ohio campaign manager specifically instructed a racist reactionary from Cincinnati to throw some “red meat” to the crowd before McCain showed up?

          I wonder whether McCain also still thinks Vietnam was a good idea.

          1. Obama’s campaign has been 100% public financed. He doesn’t accept money from PAC’s or lobbyist, only individual contributions.

            On top of all of Sen. McCain’s worries, this one should at the top of every “strict constitutionalist” conservatives list. Sen. McCain is a citizen, but he’s not a “natural born” citizen, which as the founders wrote in the US Constitution is a requirement to hold the office of the Presidency.

            Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.

            While there has been no court ruling on this matter, it will be fun to watch the “strict constitutionalist” support this NeoCon Supreme Court “pass law from the bench!”

              1. there’s a long but entertaining article on the subject by someone here:

                http://groups.google.com/group

                It’s an entirely plausible argument that McCain isn’t eligible to be president.  But this would be an absolutely ridiculous case to go before the court.  The simplest way of looking at it is really the best.  McCain was born in an American territory to American parents; thus, he’s qualified to be president.

                Go Blue is right that a “strict constitutionalist” would have a hard time if one had to actually rule on this…

      2. McCain has already broken the Finance law.

        I suspect that Obama will, but he is concerned about 527s and Hillary accusing him of unilateral disarmament.

        Isn’t it Ironic that the GOP which hates McCain Feingold might be saved by the law.

      3. By “work it out”, there will have to be commitments to active rebuking of 527s and other “independent” campaign information on both sides.  That’s the promise, and I believe he’d keep it if they made a solid deal.

        But I don’t think Obama’s naive, either.  Agreeing to public financing without agreeing to co-operate to limit other influences is, well, dumb.

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