UPDATE: Looking further back on Maria Weese's Facebook page, we found this post from July 2012. We feel as though we can rest our case now.
The racial hypocrisy in this country has gotten much worse since Obama was elected President and the heat has really been turned up by the Blacks in this country. [Pols emphasis] Every excuse is being made to create the impression that the Whites in America are still persecuting and suppressing the Blacks in America. Every opportunity to find any slight reason to expose racial discrimination from the Black perspective is being jumped on by Sharpton and Jackson, and of course, our President. It must be an election year and you can see the wagons circling around Obama led by the Blacks, the far left liberalists, the unions, environmental activists, the members of the American communist party, the minorities getting government checks in the mail, the fat cats in the entertainment industry, and the rest of the uninformed and naive liberals in this country…
At least she capitalizes "Black?" This is about as bad as it gets, folks. Pure, undiluted racism–what you'd expect to see at Stormfront, not Facebook. As we wondered when the Nate Marshall white supremacist scandal broke, where is the vetting on the Republican side this year? Or might they be this far in the dregs for want of candidates?
Either way, it's truly stunning.
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According to the Adams County GOP's website, Republicans have found a candidate to run for House District 35, an open seat being vacated by term-limited Democratic Rep. Cherylin Peniston. We don't know much about HD-35 candidate Maria Weese, but what we do know comes from her Facebook page. It's clear Weese has attended lots of conservative public events recently like the Western Conservative Summit, which is a standard prelude to a run for office. And she likes puppies (photo right).
Last December, as most of the world mourned the passing of former South African President Nelson Mandela, Maria Weese had some interesting thoughts to share on Facebook. And by "interesting," given that we're talking about a Colorado Republican legislative candidate and President Barack Obama, we of course mean racially charged and offensive:
Call it for what it is ,
Mandela was a Communist and and Obama is too….
Mandela won an election based on his race Obama won an election based on his race… [Pols emphasis]
Mandela was made famous world wide be media for his Marxist ideology, Obama was made famous world wide for the media hiding his Marxist ideology…
Mandela endured prison Obama endured Michelle….
To summarize what we think is Ms. Weese's point, Nelson Mandela was black. So is Barack Obama. As everyone knows, they both got elected "based on race" and they're both "communists." But don't think about that too hard, instead enjoy this gratuitous Michelle Obama joke! It's all so witty and on-point as a eulogy for Nelson Mandela that we just threw up in our mouths a little.
Republicans may not have a winner in HD-35, but they may have found Nate Marshall's dream date.
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Libby Szabo thinks Obama is the Antichrist, remember?
This lady's gonna fit right in.
Technically she should have also capitalized the "c" and the "p"in "communist party." She was correct, however, in not using a capital "M" in her mention of:
"the minorities getting government checks in the mail."
The dog whistle is tuned a bit low – everyone can hear it.
I'd bet money she's also RMGO recruited and funded – Dudley Brown and Joe Neville are on her friends list. As yet, though, there is no finance info at all out there. She's also scrubbed the remarks you mentioned from her FB site, so assume that she reads Pols, or has friends who do.
They're still there when I click.
https://www.facebook.com/mariac.weese/posts/383022348500877?stream_ref=10
https://www.facebook.com/mariac.weese/posts/153957968073984?stream_ref=10
As bad as it looks…
I must not have looked back far enough.
Maria Weese and I have butted heads from time to time. This isn't uncommon: she is known to have an "edge" to her that may come from her family's background as Cuban exiles (I think she was exiled herself too, but somebody should verify that).
So, to be blunt, I am not her biggest fan. That said, to compare her to Nate Marshall is grossly excessive. Weese was complaining about reverse racism, not distributing 50 copies of Mein Kampf like Marshall. Weese was pointing out that she disagrees with Obama and Mandela's economic philosophy, not gleefully contemplating African American deaths due to drug use. In short, Weese is just an occasional pain in the ass, not an outright stormfront racist. By linking the two, the severity of what Marshall wrote is diminished by association. That is not a mistake we should lightly make.
Elliot, racism is racism, and neither Marshall nor this woman have any business serving in the Colorado General Assembly. Nothing is diminished by likening them. In my eyes they are the same.
Why do Republicans have so many racists, Elliot?
The GOP has a lot of people who are anti-immigrant. There is a huge degree of tension between the Cuban elite and other Hispanics on the issue of immigration.
Elliot, she's talking about "the Blacks," not immigrants.
Yes, but if you look, you'll probably find some anti-immigrant stuff in Weese's background as that is what we have argued about primarily in past.
At the risk of invoking some corollary of Godwinism. The KKK also had a lot of folks who were anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic.I suspect most of them became true Republicans after passing through their rock-ribbed conservative Democrat/Dixiecrat phase.I'd also wish to know what precisely makes this woman or any other member of the Cuban expat community "elite"
Racism in the "mainstream" GOP is the one topic you'll never see Elliott budge on, langelo. He'd risk incurring the wrath of too many people that he wishes to keep as allies.
Thank you, Elliot, for so perfectly illustrating a point I made on another thread. This woman is a racist hiding behind manufactured indignation over supposed reverse racism and alleged playing of the race card. All the usual excuses we hear from "nice" racists. And you are an apologist for your party's racists and enablers and manipulators of racism.You probably think you deserve some sort of credit for having had run ins with her or for saying you're not her biggest fan, but when push comes to shove you still insist she isn't really a racist you. As they say, it ain't just a river in Egypt. I do consider you to be guilty only of desperate denial and nothing worse. But that's more than bad enough.
Tit for tat: by her logic, it'd be perfectly understandable if members of the "American Nazi party" and "the Whites" circled the wagons around embattled Republican leadership during an election year.
It's a softer, gentler, more socially acceptable racism…but it's still racism.
I am glad you agree that it is not the same as Marshall.
I don't see how complaining about reverse racism or complaining about somebody's perceived philosophy rises to racism. Is there an aspect of Weese's remarks that I am ignoring?
Oh sorry, I thought this was smart Elliot. I see we're back to wilfully ignorant Elliot.
You forget that I know this person. She is a pain in the ass but she is no racist to my knowledge.
That's racist. On what planet is it not?
Remember when I discovered the Photoshopping in that mailer for 1303 (Pols gave me credit for finding that IIRC) and you spent the next week denying it was what it plainly was? Even while it made national news?
I never trusted your judgement, and I surer than hell don't after that. Sorry, Elliot.
Yes. Check you moral blindspot and you'll see it.
Unfortunately Davey, one needs a rearview mirror to compensate for the blind spot. That's why they say that hindsight's 20/20.
Quite simply, EF, she's off her rocker.
Capitalizing Whites and Blacks, saying that the Blacks have ratcheted up the reverse racism since Obama has come to power (which I've observed to be quite the opposite in general), saying that Obama is constantly playing the race card (which in my opinion he has gone out of his way to avoid except when discussing issues where it can't be avoided…).
I agree that Weese and I have massive disagreements on some issues. However, that does not make her a racist
Based on experience, I believe you are a shitty judge of what's racist.
I do not believe that complaints of reverse racism and differences of economics makes you a racist
Eliot you being a shyster and all maybe you could put it in language we'd all understand. What, precisely, is "reverse racism".Near as I can tell it's little more than the standard wingnut dodge whenever someone points out the racism inherent in the conservative movement.
Racism by minority against majority is how I was using it.
There's another good lawyerly dodge.How and why is this "racism" any different than the reverse of the situation you cite?
So, you're supporting her candidacy and won't make a direct comment to the points I made…
I doubt he's supporting her candidacy. He just doesn't want to anger those who do. It all boils down to who Elliott wants to keep happy, or avoid making unhappy.
A blatant racist like Marshall is easy for Elliott to attack; he's out of favor, so it's safe. Weese is different. She's the only GOP candidate in HD-35. To not defend her would be seen as disloyal.
Curmudgeon,
I'm hardly out of favor in GOP circles, with the exception of a small group that circles around RMGO and those pretending to be the tea party movement.
No, you misunderstand. Marshall is out of favor, that's why it's okay for you to attack him. I'm sure your status in those GOP circles is secure. You certainly go out of your way to protect it.
I think this is dead on. Fladen uses Republicans who the party has already jettisoned to build up his bipartisan cred, then he shills to protect Republicans that the party still wants to defend.
IMO, there's nothing noble about it. He's the cleanup guy for the GOP's dirty laundry.
Except that I have called out Coffman and Garnder on voting to end DACA, taken on RMGO, and come out swinging against Personhood, hatred towards homosexuals and anti-immigrant sentiments.
But those facts are inconvenient to the hypothesis, so one thing to do: IGNORE THEM!
Marshall is NOW out of favor. He wasn't really known until a week ago (except maybe by RMGO).
As for defending Weese, the reason for my defense of her is simple – I don't think she is a racist. I think she just listens to too much talk radio or fox news or reads too much Townhall.com/Newsmas/something of the sort (which would explain the "checks to minorities remark").
I don't like going after people on false charges of racism or minor criminal charges from a decade back regardless of political party. It's why I frequent call out people in the GOP who say "RAP SHEET RHONDA! RAP SHEET RHONDA!"
And yet, you attacked Rhonda for not keeping her mouth shut about Vicki Marble's stupid racist comment, defended Marble and her stupid little sidekick, Saine, and defended a radio host who attacked Rhonda.
You forget, we pay attention around here.
SkinnyCook quoting Mr. Miyagi:
"Stay middle of road. Squish like bug."
It's true that Elliot called out some of the "rap sheet Rhonda (Fields)! Looks so good in orange!" folks who were attacking me for defending Rhonda. It's why I originally befriended Elliot. He tries to be principled, or at least to stay loyal to his friends. It isn't possible to stay sane and loyal to everyone.
How's the weather in the middle of the road there, Elliot?
Pretty good. This April Fools day I already got Jared Polis and Amy Stephens. Looking for a few others to fool with prank on my page.
I prefer JimHightower's description of the occupants of the middle of the road. There's nothing there but yellow stripes and dead armadillos.
I criticized Rhonda's handling of Marble's comments, but I DID NOT call her "Rap Sheet Rhonda". In fact, I have called out others on the right who have done that. I also pointed out that we shouldn't ostracize Kristian Teegardin for actions that took place years ago.
Elliot, on this board being a Republican creates a rebutable presumption that you are a racist.
I have been refered to as one and I suspect you have too. Polsters throw the term out when they do not have the ability to form an argument. For many it is their default position.
Some here have the ability to disagree honorably, many do not.
Nobody really calls me a racist here – they just say I am an opportunistic apologist.
You are an apologist. Apologists enable racists by giving them cover and that is only very slightly less despicable than being a racist, so I wouldn't take too much comfort in that.
^See?
(to AC)
Elliot, Just don't call the ACA, Obamacare or those free phones Obamaphones. That brings out the racism calls like bugs to a bug zapper.
Free phones?
OK AC who died and left you to be the judge of what's "honorable"? Near as I can tell that's of a piece with wingnuts wishing to control such things as the definition of marriage,at least the word marriage or what is and is not an assault rifle.
I agree that you and I have massive disagreements on some issues, but that does not make you a catfish.
It's all so logical…
The comments quoted above attributed to this woman are racist. Can one willfully say clearly racists things with sincerity and not be truly a racist, due to having personally met EF? I am not sure. But I am reminded of a Cheech and Chong skit.
http://youtu.be/eY7ZX6ngOSs
The only remark that jumped out at me as stereotypical was the "checks" remark that MJ pointed out.
…that who pointed out? Griping about credit aside, speaking of dog whistles, nothing about "fat cats in the entertainment industry" strikes you as stereotypical?
By the same token there, shyster, it doesn't make her not a racist either. Your disagreements notwithstanding.
That is a complete non sequitur. As an argument, it makes as much sense as "Some cucumbers have no seeds, which is evidence that Weese is not a racist."
The evidence of her racism is in her FB posts, not the degree to which you agree or disagree with her on some matters.
What Elliot does is to create ever more tortuously narrow definitions of racism so that, in any eventuality involving an accusation of racism directed to a GOTPer, he can claim that the statement or behavior or slur or stereotype does not fit the definition of racism. Never mind he is the only one on the planet who subscribes to the definitions he creates.
Arguing with him on a rational basis on this subject will get you nowhere. We've all tried to no avail. Rationality just doesn't apply for Elliot in recognizing GOTP racists as racists in Fladenland. There's always another definition tweak to allow up to be, if not down, certainly not up.
The Republican Party: Not all racists, but the party of racists.
Good slogan.
I stole it from The Simpsons ("Fox News: Not Racist, But #1 With Racists")
I remember that episode.
I'm just whistling and walkng away. Beauprez's giant head is on the back of my eyeballs and I must leave the internet for awhile.
Suffice it to say : "minorities getting checks in the mail" (most people on public assistance are white), is a racial stereotype.
"Mandela won an election based on his race Obama won an election based on his race… " implies that neither world leader was qualified to lead, except deluded people elected them based on skin color – That's willful blindness motivated by racism.
One doesn't have to blurt out n-words or slurs, or propose lynchings, to be a racist.
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I was just going to ask Elliot about the minorities getting checks thing.
But I'm sick of his despicable apologetics and I'm going to bed too.
Elliot truly doesn't seem to understand the meaning of racism. It's as if he never read US political history. It's as if he knows nothing about the decades between the 1860s and the 1960s.
Using a term like "reverse racsim"!? WTF does he think that means? As if black people are creating election regulations to prevent white people from voting, or black business owners are paying white workers less than black ones.
Racism is deeply rooted and subtley (or not so subtlely coded in US culture. The term "reverse racism" is a pretend victimization callout to white people.
ParkHill:
Was this racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PRYJqfcEe0
Yes, the Fox News hosts were racist.
The "minorities getting checks in the mail" remark is a stereotype and it is fair game to critcize her for that.
The winning elections based, at least partly, on race though isn't stereotypical. In fact, many were so excited about Obama winning because it set such a historic milestone in that regard. Now you could says that insults Obama's qualifications to be president. However, let's go over the qualifications again:
1) Be 35 years of age (check)
2) Be a natural born citizen (check)
3) Get more votes than the other guys/girls (check)
That's about it. So what qualification did Obama being black interfere with MJ? I'm not seeing it.
Stereotype or Racism. Hmmm. "Those people in their big cadillacs paying for groceries with food stamps." Hmmm. Really hard to figure, isn't it?
Sorry, you are just ignorant. Read some books on the history of racism in the US.
Elliot, it is common for people to find excuse with individuals they know, especially if those individuals are nice in person. It's human nature. But you have a blind spot here – the comments she has made clearly show she is racist. Not in as odious a manner as Marshall, but she is blatantly racist.
Weese lost me: What's the difference between a "liberalist" and a "liberal"? Seems she doesn't like either, so there must be a commonality. However, I'm not quite sure what separates the two.
Near as I could tell a "liberal lives the golden rule while a "liberalist" just believes in it. I figured it was Weese channeling either Palin or bat guano crazy Shelley Bachmann. Her salad spinner got stuck in the cycle there and she wasn't quite sure what she meant but she had to keep talking.
. . . the difference is probably as simple as black and white ?!?
Hey, this is all just a big misunderstoodment — same thing happend just recently to Stephen Colbert. But, he set the record straight:
"Now the Cancel Colbert people think that even in context, I'm a racist," Colbert explained. "I just want to say that I'm not a racist. I don't even see race. Not even my own. People tell me I'm white and I believe them because I just devoted six minutes to explaining how I'm not a racist!"
. . . hmmm, . . . somehow it seems funnier the way he tell's it . . .
STOP!! You all, everyone of you, need to look up the word and stop using it incorrectly. RACISM refers to the pernicious belief that some races are INFERIOR and others SUPERIOR; Everything you have posted as quotes from this women indicates she is a)a BIGOT (much different from a racist and the only accurate term in this context), and b) ignorant; however, nothing she said in the quoted posts states a belief that white folk are inherently superior, gentically superior to other, darker folk. Or that black people are genetically, intellectually, physically, etc inferior to white people. She just doesn't say that. Stop picking on Elliot. He's right in this case. Use a dictionary. Words have meaning. When you so completely misuse the term RACISM, you rob it of its power and minimize its dangerous implications. RACISM allows otherwise rational and good people to perform GENOCIDE. Weese's remarks don't even tread in those dark depths. This is important since RACISIM must be called-out and eradicated, but by conflating the term w/ BIGOTRY you won't know it when you see it.
Um, no.
There are several definitons of racism. One is the belief that there are inherent differences define racial classifications that determine cultural values or achievements. Thus, racial stereotyping is, by definition, racist. Although this kind of racism is often coupled with a belief in the superiority or inferiority of different racial classifications, that is not a necessary. Nor is perniciousness, which you include in your definition, necessarily required for a belief to be racist.
Another definition of racism is intolerance based on racial classifications. That, of course, is also the definition of bigotry. So, clearly, "racist" and "bigot" are synonyms.
Nope OTD- the terms are not synonomous. Racial sterotyping is bigotted and ignorant, but it doesn't conclude superiority. And pernicious is what RACISM is, not part of its definition. Find a definition in any printed dictionary or online that equates the two and I'll stand corrected. I can't find any. A racisit is by definition a bigot, but not visa versa.
Random House Unabridged, Second Edition:
"Racism 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others….3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races."
A bigot whose bigotry is based on race is intolerant of people of other races. That is practicing racism–i.e., such a bigot is a racist. Sorry, but that is how the English languge works.
You put "pernicious' in your defintion. It wasn't my doing.
So according to the definition racism is race based bigotry. According to the old rules of logic I learned in Jr High that would mean racists are a subset of bigots and therefore all racists are bigots, the way all poodles are dogs, but not all bigots are racists, the way all dogs are not necessarily poodles. You could be bigoted about religion or national origin instead of being bigoted about race, for instance. So, no, JK. Nothing wrong with calling her a racist and a bigot based on the available info.
Both your Collaborationist Party and the Fascist Party you pretend to oppose have turned the supposed "land of the free" into the world's leading jailer over the past thirty-four years in a war against people of color and other marginalized groups. No patriot can remain a member of either of these two traitorous political gangs. Death to fascists!
I think that comment belongs in the April Fool's Day Thread.
Or in a puppy post.
I found this long thread debating the definition of "racist" counterproductive. My opinions:
1) Marcia Weese's comments, as reported here, are destructive to people of color, first, and then to our American values and thus to all of us.
2) To call Obama a Marxist is a lie. For EF to describe this as a difference in economic philosohy is unconscienable. For EF, to describe the woman as a "pain in the ass," is ugly and diminishes the danger of her comments.
3) If Marcia Weese's parents were Cuban exiles, then these values may come from a pre-Castro cubuan culture and her rage at Obama and Mendala may be misdirected and really represent the rage that many Cuban exiles exhibit toward Castro and his revolution that destroyed their economic privileges.
It is shocking to me that a candidate with these sentiments has found a place on the Republican ballot. Her statements echo some of what Ted Cruz's father, a refugee from Castro's Cuba or so he claims, has said. This is what is critical: Will the Republican Party repudiate these destructive, anti-American statements?