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April 09, 2014 10:03 AM UTC
22 Comments
It takes a true statist to defend the zombie cams.
When red light cameras are outlawed . . .
. . . only outlaws will have red light cameras?!?
(Hey, it's your effin' logic — I'm just applying it consistently . . . )
Lots of studies…
This one looks good:
So you trade one kind of accident for another.
This study from Texas says that there are more effective ways to increase safety;
As a cyclist, I'd rather see cars run into each other than run into me. Most people survive car-on-car violence. Car-on-cyclist? Not so much. That said, I'm more interesteed in improved safety than revenue, so whatever works best.
Indeed. There are many more effective means to increase safety.
Revenue from red light cameras is consistent and reliable enough to be attractive to municipalities — which says to anyone thinking about it that it doesn't change behavior, e.g. doesn't make anything safer.
If it did and everyone stopped violating the red light, that would just screw up the revenue.
Modster will be so sad that he can't call you a "statist". I'm predicting few lefites will be taking up the defense of the red light camera as a lefty/statist battle cry. In general, most people, even lefties, don't like tickets, do approve of being nice to puppies and kittens. Shocking, I know.
It takes a true statist to defend puppies and kittens. Freedom !
I'm sure he'd be all in favor of privatizing the red-light cams.
Especially ifi they were mounted on drilling derricks, and not light poles.
Boulder's red light cameras and speed vans are privatized.
Evil.
Exist only to raise money. No safety purpose at all.
I agree
Also, you can ignore the letters that come to you when you're caught. They have to serve you for it to go to court. So just ignore the letters and for the next 4 months, if someone you don't recognize rings the doorbell, have your spouse answer.
Sounds like the voice of experience. Silly me. I paid the one I got.
As long as Colorado refuses to budge on TABOR limits, we'll continue to have these shyster revenue-raising schemes.
And that's the other side of the coin. Funds have to come from somewhere and the anti-tax fanatics have made funding for all kinds of things we need pretty scarce. I for one, trembling at the prospect of being called a "statist", whatever Modster means by that, am more than willing to see the demise of red light cams.
A couple of notes:
If these things are bringing in millions, shouldn't we be more concerned that there are enough people breaking the law to generate said millions?
Anyone else find it odd that this bill has, after having been defeated numerous times in past sessions, all the sudden picks up steam now only AFTER it was exposed that several legislators – many of whom were caught by these cameras – aren't getting tickets?
These cameras, as far as I'm aware, are really only at the busiest, most troublesome spots, especially in Denver. From where will the officers be pulled so they can now keep round the clock staffing at these spots?
As someone who's had to dart into traffic to get around people who have stopped way over the line, I don't mind people getting a little camera flash for being douchenozzles.
To summize – why is this an issue of major public importance? Are people really that pissed off that they got caught breaking the law that they now want to put a law in place to prevent them from getting caught breaking the law?
Where, oh where were these officers before the advent of red light cameras? And whatsoever shall we do without their constant, all-seeing eye?
Ditch 'em. ajb shows the data on how to actually reduce intersection issues.
Ajb showed one study that is now ten years old.
my bad – two studies. One nine years old, one ten.
And this changes the first paragraph of my response how?
How does the age of the study affect the findings?
By no means did I do a thorough look through the literature. If you feel there might be newer, better studies, have a look and let us know.
I got one turning left at Bowles and Santa Fe a few years ago. The left hand turn signal went red before the through traffic even changed to yellow. Ridiculous. I later learned that others complained about it and it was fixed. I didn't pay the ticket I got in the mail. After the first letter, I sent subsequent letters back as undeliverable.
Come get me, Coppers!