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September 28, 2005 08:00 AM UTC

Tom DeLay Indicted

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  • by: Colorado Pols

UPDATE: DeLay Steps Down as Majority Leader. From CNN:

Rep. Tom DeLay said Wednesday that he will step aside as House majority leader after a Texas grand jury indicted him on a conspiracy charge. DeLay faces a single conspiracy count stemming from a long-running campaign finance investigation, the county clerk’s office in Austin told CNN.

DeLay, a Republican, blasted the charge as a “sham” and an act of “political retribution.”…

…A grand jury in Austin charged DeLay, 58, and two associates already facing criminal charges with a single count of criminal conspiracy, accusing them of improperly funneling corporate donations to Republican candidates for the Texas legislature in 2002. If convicted, DeLay could face up to two years in prison and fines up to $10,000, Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle said.

At a news conference in Austin, Earle, a Democrat, declined to comment on any evidence he had linking DeLay to the alleged conspiracy. But he denied any partisan motivation, telling reporters that 12 of the 15 public corruption cases he has prosecuted involved Democrats.

“The law says that corporate contributions to political campaigns are illegal in Texas,” he said. “The law makes such contributions a felony. My job is to prosecute felonies. I’m doing my job.”

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House Majority Leader Tom DeLay was indicted today over alleged conspiracy dealing with campaign finance dealings. From MSNBC:

A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, an indictment that could force him to step down as House majority leader.

DeLay attorney Steve Brittain said DeLay was accused of a criminal conspiracy along with two associates, John Colyandro, former executive director of a Texas political action committee formed by DeLay, and Jim Ellis, who heads DeLay’s national political committee.

The indictment against the second-ranking, and most assertive Republican leader came on the final day of the grand jury’s term. It followed earlier indictments of a state political action committee founded by DeLay and three of his political associates.

As we’ve discussed at length before, DeLay’s troubles could extend into Colorado to hurt Rep. Bob Beauprez and Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, both of whom have received financial support from DeLay and have been outspoken on his behalf. There was always a question about whether DeLay would really get indicted, but now that his troubles are most than just accusations, this story could get much worse for some Republicans in Colorado.

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74 thoughts on “Tom DeLay Indicted”

  1. actually, an indictment IS just an accusation. It’s just one that’s been formally filed in a court of law. It doesn’t mean there is any more or any less substance to the accusations than there were three months ago.

  3. As marshall notes, an indictment is not simply an accusation, it’s the grand jury’s determination that the accusation has substance and should be taken to criminal trial.  Next I’m sure we’ll hear about how prosecutor Earle is on some kind of witch hunt simply because he’s a Democrat…although he’s pursued other Democrats with the same tenacity in the past.

    Beauprez and Musgrave ought to be worried.  The real question now is how many satellite indictments will eventually spread from this one.

    Another interesting angle is that Rep. David Dreier may be promoted to Majority Leader while DeLay disappears.  Blunt and others were seen as already having negative baggage, and Dreier is affable and moderate.  But now’s Dreier’s clumsy efforts to remain a closeted gay man in the GOP will be brought to light again, and that by itself will have an ugly media life of its own.

    This is fun.

  4. Not only should “Both Sides Bob” and Marylin be worried, but all GOP U.S. House members.  He is their leader and unless they can show that they not only defied their leader, but also condemmed his blatantly criminal actions, they can all be painted with his criminal brush.  While, obviously, none of them are criminals per se, it’s not hard to envision a commercial w/ Delay behind CG’d prison bars next to a picture of, say Hefley.  Guild by association, or, as they say in the courts, aiding and abetting.

  6. Ronnie Earle once indicted himself, for pete’s sake. The man sees his office as nothing more than political theater, and this indictment is one more example.

  7. Wasn’t Beauprez one of the ten Reps. most likely to vote with Delay or something like that?  I seem to remember reading something like that in the Post awhile back….

  9. I doubt Delay will ever get convicted of anything, but you have to admit the irony of BB filing a complaint on someone for elections financing when one of BB’s biggest donors (20K so far) just got indicted for campaign finance fun…….

  12. As we’re already seeing, Republicans will want to try and shrug this off as just an indictment, just a set of accusations, or political theater on the part of the DA. But, it ain’t going to fly. This is big stuff and it is a major problem for the Republicans.

    About seven years ago, a whole lot of Republicans in the House stood up and condemned President Clinton for BJs in the Oval Office and then lying about them.  It will be interesting to see if that same outrage will extend to Tom DeLay and his indictment on felony criminal conspiracy.

  14. The real question is this: did Beauprez get a whiff of this coming down the pike, and THAT’s why he’s condisering exiting the governors race? His ties to Delay would certanily come out in a state wide race; any credible Democrat could paint a pretty picture. It gives him two hard races – a primary and a general –or– he can decide to stay in the 7th, have no primary, and mop the floor with whatever democrat nominee he has in the general.

  15. “but also condemned his blatantly criminal actions” ?? This is an indictment with very little evidence and lots of political vengeance. This won’t touch anyone in the GOP. It will actually hurt the Dems more because they will blindly latch onto this accusation and in the end look foolish. Follow the evidence back to the redistricting impact on Texas dems. They are hell bent on getting Delay no matter what the evidence is. This DA in Texas will become the feature in this story.

  16. Rich, you are in denial. DeLay has been drunk on power since his days with Gingrich. Of course the Dems are thrilled with this what with Frist being investigated by the SEC as well. They would be fools not to capitalize on it. Earle has prosecuted Democrats 3 to 1 over Republicans…that argument of yours isn’t going to stand up long.

  17. I have to agree that it isn’t primarily the ties to Delay that put Musgrave or Beauprez or any GOP candidate in a non-blowout race in peril this time.  The big risk for them is that a “throw the bums out” mood will take hold.  The President’s poor approval ratings have already dragged down the Congressional generic approval ratings.  An indicted DeLay forced to step down from his post as majority leader, and a Bill Frist facing an investigation for insiders trading, combined with the other shoe waiting to drop for senior administration officials in the Plame affair, the cronyism exposed by the Brown resignation from FEMA, and a Republican Congressman facing forfeiture proceedings in a bribery case in California from the U.S. Justice Department all conspire to raise a stink that may leave independent voters not terribly discriminating about the individual candidates in the race before them.  Moreover, because Democrats are almost completely out of power — in the Supreme Court, the Presidency, and both Houses of Congress, it is tough to pin the blame on them for anything.  Add to that the usual trend of the incumbent President losing support in Congress in off year elections, and the wind will be at the Democrat’s backs in 2006.

  18. And can I assume you’ve read every transcript of testimony, seen the exhibits and evidence in the case before you decided there was no evidence?

    Or maybe, just maybe, those are talking points I hear. If so, they’re just as lame as the “blame game” from the post-Katrina white house, before the shifty-eyed mumble of responsibility from Dubya when faced with actual facts.

    I have no doubt the DA in Auston will become part of the story, though…just ask Richard Clarke if that’s likely to happen after holding a “R” official up to the light of accountability. That’s actually to his credit as far as I’m concerned.

  19. 527 attacks (i.e.Swift boat lars)=Good, solid, AOK, GOP seal of approval.  Grand Jury indictment=blatant partisan politics, activist judges and prosecutors.  Purple Heart bandaids= acceptable behavior.  Questioning Bush’s service record=unacceptable behavior.

  21. I feel fairly safe in saying that I think Jesus would say something along the lines of:
    “Leave me out of your petty squabbles and anecdotes.  I have enough things to worry about”

  22. Just talked to Jesus over a joint and whiskey at the whore house.  Remember he was a forgiving long haired liberal.  He agrees with Young Rep.  He is way to busy to give a F***.

  24. Ohwilleke: Throw the bums out mentality could work if there was a viable alternative. The dems offer nothing. What we see on the dem side are the likes of Cindy Sheehan, anti-war radicals, the Govenor of LA, the Mayor, Chuck Shummer, Biden, Boxer. When AVG sees the alternative it does not bode well for the dem party. No denial just looking at the facts…

    Mark Holtzman is speaking tomorrow at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science sponsored by NUICC (India Chamber of Commerce) . I will be there. Tickets are expensive but it should be interesting. Well if your a R!

  25. The indictment of Delay is just the front wave of the coming storm.  Every day Delay’s partner Abramoff looks like more of a boat anchor to large swathes of the Republican Party; last week it was David Safavian, today it’s a mob hit on a former business partner.  Abramoff is tied to so many GOP big-hitters, and every day he looks worse.  *That* is the big drag on the GOP; Delay is just a very visible tip of the iceberg.

  26. Rich,

    Thanks for reminding me why I would vote for a Republican over my cold dead body.

    Yea those “patriotic” Republicans can’t send American jobs over to India and communist China fast enough.  I wondered why Marc was against C & D, now it all makes sense, nothing would move those high tech jobs faster over to India than a non-existent higher education system.  Maybe the shorter you are the smarter you get.

    I hear Republicans are thinking of changing our money to say “In the all mighty dollar we trust”

  27. Rich –

    I’m sure we Dems said much the same thing in ’94 about Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson, David Duke and Jerry Falwell.  Those thoughts then were as naive as your thoughts are today.  Just my two cents.

  30. I agree with Phoenix.  Abramoff is a massive anchor sinking the Republican ship, USS Dominance.  I am happy to see somebody will hold these immoral, unethical disgraces accountable.  I am only sad that the Dem leadership, while not sinking in its own filth, is just rudderlessly spinning out to sea. 
    Delay is a national disgrace, as are his apologists in DC and on this board.  The boat is sinking and as torpedo 2 (Frist indictment) and torpedo 3 (Rove indictment in Plame) hit, it will be abandon ship as all the rats try to save themselves.

  32. fascinating  can’t wait to hear from all the regulars at this site. It’s all abouot money, isn’t t? Who has raised more than the other?

    Stick to the Principles.

  34. Pardon me, I need to add a postscript.

    If we don’t protect the Principle, the details get washed away in the flood. That’s the lesson of Katrina. Where do YOUR Principles stand or fall. Let’s get it ON!

  35. Boy I can’t wait till the Dems take back control of Congress.  That’s the only time the Republicans are the party of less government.

    The Dems problem is that they can’t tell voters what they want to do without repulsing them.  How do they win with a nauseating vision? 

    I think the Delay thing will ultimatly be recognized for what it is: an opportunist attack by a Dimocrat hack.  Now there’s a bumper sticker for ya.

  36. DeLay’s Impact on Colorado?

    By now, you’ve probably heard that Tom DeLay, the ethically-challenged Majority Leader of Congress, has been indicted by a grand jury in Texas. Obviously, this is part and parcel of the “culture of corruption” of the GOP leadership, but what does it me…

  37. seriously, why is hefley left out of this? the man is one of the few republicans who is not adversely affected by delay the deuchebag. why dont other republicans realize this and maybe pay a little more attention to this no-nonsense man? both parties need to realize it is ok to be ethical!!!

  39. The lead WP editorial concludes:

    “Mr. DeLay’s spokesman said this month that “to his knowledge all activities were properly reviewed and approved by lawyers” for TRMPAC. If so, the criminal law seems like an awfully blunt instrument to wield against Mr. DeLay. If not, we look forward to seeing the evidence. In the meantime, as required by party rules, Mr. DeLay has stepped aside as majority leader. Whatever happens in the criminal case, perhaps this latest controversy will cause his colleagues to rethink whether he is, in fact, the person they really want as their leader.”

    Yes! He’s gotta go.

  40. The LA Times take a predictably partisan view, concluding its editorial comment this way:

    So anyone who hoped that the indictment would change the capital’s political culture can forget it. DeLay’s troubles also continue something of a tradition, dating at least to former Democratic Speaker Jim Wright of Texas, of ethical lapses among those in the leadership of the House.

    But the real scandal in Washington, as someone once said, isn’t what’s illegal, it’s what’s legal. DeLay has practically made a career out of testing the boundaries on ethics ? and going far beyond them politically. The House Ethics Committee knows him on a first-name basis, having admonished him three times in the last year for activity that stretches back more than four years. The Texas grand jury that indicted him on Wednesday has been investigating possible legal violations by DeLay and his associates for months.

    Yet DeLay is more than the sum of his ethical lapses. He also has a long history of hypocrisy. During the Clinton administration, he criticized the bombing of Kosovo, saying that U.S. foreign policy was “formulated by the Unabomber”; six years later he chastised Democrats for criticizing U.S. policy in Iraq, saying they were “putting American lives at risk.” His calls for the federal government to play a smaller role in Americans’ lives were betrayed by his demands that it intervene in the case of Terri Schiavo.

    Hypocrisy is the occupational hazard of politics. DeLay, however, is a special case, a partisan so unprincipled that not even his allies pretend that he stands for anything; his nickname, “The Hammer,” comes from his ability to enforce party discipline. DeLay’s indictment will lead to an increase in demagoguery on both sides of the aisle. But the real problem isn’t what DeLay may have done, it’s what he stands for.

  43. The Wall Street Journal, of course, has the most thoughtful editorial. It’s conclusion:

    The Majority Leader also deserves the presumption of innocence because of Mr. Earle’s guilty past. A liberal Democrat, he has a history of indicting political enemies, Democrat and Republican, on flimsy evidence that didn’t hold up in court. In the mid-1980s, he indicted Attorney General Jim Mattox, a rival of his ally Ann Richards, on bribery charges. Mr. Mattox was acquitted and won re-election.

    In 1993, he indicted Kay Bailey Hutchison, who’d just been elected to the U.S. Senate, on charges of misconduct and records tampering. Mr. Earle was forced to drop the case even before it went to trial. Earlier this year, the prosecutor delivered a widely criticized speech at a Democratic fund-raiser in which he compared his prosecutorial targets to “Mussolini and his fascists” and all but declared that he had Mr. DeLay in his sights.

    As for political motive, Mr. DeLay has earned the wrath of Democrats by beating them time and again at their own game. His re-redistricting of the Texas Congressional delegation before the 2004 election helped turn six House seats over to the GOP. Without his prodding, the House would never have voted to impeach Bill Clinton in 1998. And his fund-raising and arm-twisting have kept the GOP House majority both unified and re-elected for a decade.

    Democrats have learned from Newt Gingrich’s rise to power that they can use ethics as a political weapon. And it’s working, in so far as the Majority Leader’s obvious preoccupation with his various ethics problems explains the Congressional GOP’s aimlessness this year. Even before yesterday, Mr. DeLay was seriously weakened as a political force.

    And for that he has himself partly to blame. Our disagreement with the Majority Leader is that, as the GOP cemented itself in power, he let incumbency become more important than the principles that elected him in the first place.

    Mr. DeLay browbeat his colleagues — and kept the vote open for three hours — to pass a giant new Medicare entitlement that will bedevil taxpayers and Republicans for decades. Only two weeks ago, he declared that the GOP had cut everything from the federal Leviathan that it possibly could; a week later he was back-tracking under pressure from his own supporters. His worst ethics problems — at least until yesterday — had developed because he stood by as former aides and cronies made themselves rich as influence peddlers by invoking his name.

    As a Republican who came to power after Democrat Jim Wright’s fall as Speaker, Mr. DeLay had to know he too could become an ethics target. He made himself vulnerable nonetheless. Republicans are speaking up for him, in part because they know Mr. Earle’s record. But yesterday they also elected Missouri’s Roy Blunt as their new Majority Leader, and Mr. DeLay is unlikely ever to be the same fund-raising resource for GOP Members. The bitter irony is that his ethics problems now jeopardize the GOP majority he did so much to build.

    Click here. to see the editorial. Paid sub probably required.

    Don

  44. Looks like Donald is filling in for Peter.  One post at a time.

    Republicans have definitely sold out the principles of smaller government for power; government spending has gone up 30% under Bush. 

    Spend and Barrow…Spend and Barrow…to communist China no less.

    Republicans have allowed Democrats to eclipse them as the party of fiscal responsibility.

  46. I like what a commentator said over at Kevin Drum’s site, re the speculation that the squealer (witness who will testify against Delay) is one of the corporations who were squeezed to pay, first they (the corporations) squealed like a pig in the Deliverance sense of the word, now they are squealing like a pig in the Goodfellas sense. 

    This is a huge pay-to-play operation that involves a whole lot more than the $190K involved in this case.  It’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    Stealing again, this one from Crooks and Liars, re the Repub talking point that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, I’ll have a Tom Delay on rye with lettuce tomato and a little mayo.

  48. Here’s another interesting question for you:  If Tom Delay was indicted for conspiracy to launder election money through the RNC, isn’t there a Federal case waiting out there somewhere to be filed against the RNC for doing the laundering?

  49. Great point.  Notice that there isn’t and the dems are not pushing for one.  The obvious reason is the dems know what a sham this is and they dont want to get exposed in a real court.

  50. Now Bob gets to finally answer for his social security votes, his privacy votes, AND his money laundering problems. HURAY! What a FUN general it’s going to be!

  51. Joel Hefley is a worthless piece of dogshit. 

    The enemies of the powerful are going to receive a powerful education over the coming weeks in why stupid, two-bit nothings don’t pick fights with the most powerful people in our government.

    enough is enough. the gloves are coming off.

  53. We are all shaking especially with Miller testifying.  It is coming from every direction now.  So much for Republicans being governed by the rule of law. 

    This reminds me of trying to convince a drunken friend not to drive home.  It seems they always swear they can drive home and always claim that you will regret messing with them. 

    Republican leadership has got the shovel in hand and are going to dig themselves deeper because they are so drunk with power.  I really feel bad to anyone that bought the bill of goods Republicans have been selling to just realize that all they care about is power and have no real principles.

  55. Can’t argue with logic like that, Robert.  I mean, Democrats should just be able to push a button and get the government they control to do their job and issue up indictments or start investigations.  Oh, wait – they’re not in a position of power right now.

    At what point do Republican loyalists wake up and smell the coffee?  Is it after 10 indictments in the GOP-controlled Kentucky state government (9 of which have been pardoned by the governor prior to trial, and the other of which was issued today over the governor’s pre-emptive pardon…)?  Or is it the sheer magnitude of corruption in Ohio, where every major State official seems to be tied in to CoinGate and its derivatives?  No?  Maybe Arnold’s illegal magazine deals will do it?  Or the GOP’s troubles in Illinois (courtesy of Plamegate prosecutor Fitzgerald)?  Obviously Delay’s shenanigans in Texas don’t do it, despite the indictments of both of his PACs, several friends and co-workers, and 8 companies…

    Maybe State-level stuff is just too localized for you.  So let’s go over to Jack Abramoff, who seems to know everyone in the GOP and has sent many of them on golf trips.  Still too isolated?  How about the close relationship of many neo-cons (wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, and Franklin at least) to the Israeli Likud government and one of their number now pleading guilty to espionage on behalf of Israel through AIPAC?  Or maybe we should ask about the demotion of Bunnatine Greenhouse after she disclosed hanky-panky in dealings with Halliburton and Boeing…  Or why someone felt the need to dead-agent Ambassador Wilson and his wife.

    As you see, this post is getting a bit long, and I haven’t really gone to much more than the surface.  There’s new majority leader Blunt’s corruption, Rep. Cunningham’s profitable house sale, Rep. Ney’s interesting financials, Sen. Frist’s stock sale…

    The Republican Party has indeed become drunk with power, but instead of being responsible and asking them for the keys, their friends are all covering for them and letting them drive while drunk.  If you want to see your Republican friends in Congress in 2007, I’d suggest you tell them to start being responsible now, or they’re going to have their driver’s license revoked.

  56. Phoenix Rising,
      Quick trip back a couple centuries for you and this will help you see the light.  The three branches of government are SEPARATE.  That means that W has no way to protect Delay if he wanted to.  Besides that, libs control most of that branch of government.  Given this, your argument does not stand.

    Now about your rant about supposed Republican corruption.  History lesson for you here since you seem to like to selective remember what happened in the past.  Clinton perjured himself in front of a court.  That is a FELONY.  No one even debates what he did or that he committed a crime.  So now you libs think that Republicans are as sleazy as your hero and you assume that every charge against Republicans must therefore be legit.  Look what NARAL tried to do to Roberts.  Libs don?t care about the facts, they just like to make allegations.  Then they run around in the media and talk about all of the allegations against Republicans.  If Delay is guilty of a crime, I?ll be the first to say that the Republicans should get rid of him.  If he is found innocent and this case is dismissed for lack of evidence (the most likely scenario), then shame of you and your liberal cronies for such despicable and disgusting political practices.

  57. I beg to differ about selective rememberance: I thought Clinton’s punishment was appropriate for the situation: he was impeached but not removed, and suffered civil penalties as well.

    Libs control which section of government, exactly?  I’m confused.

    Now, on to this “libs don’t care about facts” claim:
    Larry Franklin is pleading guilty to Espionage.  GOP officers in Ohio have admitted that Noe stole $13million or so from the Workmen’s Comp Fund, and it is paper fact that the same Ohio state officials took lots of money from Noe and have tried to quash investigations related to the scandals there.  The KY state government scandal isn’t a bunch of mindless allegations; it’s coming out of a Grand Jury investigation.

    I’m not pulling these allegations out of my a$$; in Delay’s case, it appears the Grand Jury was the one persuing Delay, not DA Earle – the people found his crimes worthy of indictment, not some partisan hack.  In Plamegate, the prosecutor is a Republican-leaning Independent, and the CIA is the one that asked for the investigation – not some partisan witch-hunt.

    The corruption is deep and pervasive; I’m a former Republican – I left the party because of the idiotic direction it was taking, am glad I left given the infinite scandals, and I’d do the same if the Democrats went back into scandal-land, too.

  59. Republicans Lying?…Never!

    I think the real reason that Republicans want the ten commandment in prominent places is to provide them with a crib sheet of things not to do.

    Otherwise they just forget.

    See the new Republican majority leadership just forgot that he was breaking the 7th commandment when he was banging that Philip Morris lobbyist that he divorced his wife for. 

    See if he only had the 10 commandments near by to remind him.

  60. I think you are missing my point.  Republicans are people too, and they make mistakes and commit crimes just like anyone else.  That is part of having people run government, there will always be corruption.  But were I make the distinction here is when someone is convicted of a crime.  Republicans don?t tend to support those convicted.  Delay is innocent until proven guilty in front of a jury of his peers.  You and I both know that there is no way a reasonable jury is going to find him guilty with the moronic case that Earl has brought against him.  So that is why I support Delay. 

    Democrats talk out of both sides of their mouth on this.  I see a ?When Clinton lied, no one died? bumper sticker every day like you people are proud of that.  Your last president took advantage of a young intern to get off in the oval office, then he perjured himself in front of a jury.  And yet you support him?  Delay will not be supported if he is found guilty; but if he is innocent, why should we not stand behind him 100%?  And where do you get off saying we can not support an innocent man when your party gloats over a president who perjured himself?

  61. See previous comment: I support Clinton only for the good he did, not for that idiotic act.  You ignored my previous post…

    Why don’t you believe the Grand Jury has a case against Delay?  The only piece of evidence I’ve heard is about sworn testimony in one of the civil trials that’s already taken place in this mess (yes, TRMPAC and its executives have already been found liable in a civil trial), and that testimony – by a former RNC official – implicated Delay.

  63. Oops – forgot: Delay’s lawyer is quoted in the article above confirming the foreman’s account.

    I was going to go off on that bit you mentioned re: Clinton, marshall, but I got sidetracked.

    Listening to Jay Marvin on the way in, I heard a conservative caller spout the same things I hear often on the Net or in conversations: Democrats opposed Civil Rights, Republicans supported it.  Clinton did…  And so on, and so on…  Yes, but that was then – this is now.  I’ve owned up on my side: Clinton lied under oath – bad boy, no bar license.  And back then, conservative Democrats did block Civil Rights: they’re now Republicans, or they’ve reformed.

    But now we’re talking about today.  Today we have Bill Bennett deciding that Blacks are criminals.  Today we have Trent Lott making racist statements.  Today we have President Bush pulling the rug out from under Louisiana’s workers by suspending Davis-Bacon (’cause $9/hr. is too much’) and repealing affirmative action requirements.  Today we have conservative groups in this State telling us to cut, cut, cut until you’ve bled the government dry.  And today we have a culture of corruption a mile wide in the GOP at multiple levels of government.

    So let’s talk about today, and not revel in the glory days when Republicans really were champions of the American way.

  64. Phoenix,
      Econ 101, minimum wage causes employers to hire fewer workers.  Don?t bother debating this because it is a fact.  We need more work being done.  Suspending an artificially high minimum wage is one way to ensure that more people are employed.  That?s a good thing last I checked.  This is a great example of Dems not using good judgment and trying to think with emotions.

    Now about Bennett.  What he said was technically correct.  This population group has a higher percentage of criminals than other populations.  Now before you blow your fuse, just realize that he was correct on that point regardless of your emotional knee jerk to how it sounds.  But that was not the point he was making.  What he was saying is that even though we have a segment of our population who has been overly represented in the criminal arena (this is raw cold fact), it is morally repugnant to suggest that targeted abortion is ever appropriate.  The irony is that he was saying that aborting someone who has a higher than normal possibility of being a criminal is unthinkable while liberals think slaughtering a viable baby during the process of birth is okay.  Get the point? 

    One more point, is Robert Byrd a Republican or did I miss something?  I believe he was in the KKK and one of those Dems who was against equal rights.  For some reason I thought he was a leader in the Democrat party, but maybe you were right about everyone switching and he is a Republican now?

  74. Robert said: “Econ 101, minimum wage causes employers to hire fewer workers. Don?t bother debating this because it is a fact.”

    Really? Where exactly is that a proven fact?
    Perhaps you missed the new Fed Chairman, Bernanke, last week when he was asked about this “fact” by Rep Bernie Sanders (I-VT). According to conservative Republican Fed Chairman, appointed by Bush, there is NO evidence proving it, that what evidence there is is weak, and that there is equally strong evidence proving it has no effect. When asked again, directly, does raising the minimum wage increase unemployment, or even slow employment growth, he replied “In my opinion, no, it does not”!

    Oops, there goes another winger myth,
    oops, there goes another winger myth,
    oops, there goes another winger myth…gone!

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