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June 19, 2008 08:45 PM UTC
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This is complete idiocy. I don’t know what backroom deal someone’s made, but I’m guessing it’s allowing the GI bill and unemployment extension to go through.
Hoyer’s caving over essentially nothing. No-one’s willing to sign the discharge petition, the House comfortably passed the FISA bill last time without the Protect AT&T clause, and every week or two another story pops up detailing just how much the telecomms and Bush Administration shouldn’t be trusted on the issue. WTF?
FISA is not part of the defense supplemental, but the GI Bill and the unemployment extension are.
The two are on separate bills, but there’s no good reason for Dems to have capitulated on FISA / telecomm immunity when they’d already won that battle twice already. There must be some kind of deal, bribe, blackmail, or intense stupidity that wasn’t there before, and I’m guessing it’s not stupidity.
Word on the street is that nobody in the House has been consulted and nobody’s happy about it. It’s very likely to go down in flames if it ever makes it to the floor.
Lets hope so.
This is a perfect ’08 campaign issue. McCain has already said that he supports wiretaps. Why not run an ad with Bush and McCain talking side by side about wiretaps, get the Dem leadership in the media crying foul over this etc. etc.
This makes no sense! Brings out the conspiracy theorist in me big time.
They have an “I’m not doing anything wrong so I have nothing to worry about” attitude.
Regular people don’t really grasp the 4th and 5th Amendment beyond the Miranda line from the cop shows, and even then they don’t get it (as you can see in the COPS show).
Immunity from prosecution should only be given in exchange for information.
If the Telecoms told congress who instructed them to break the law, I would be happy to give them immunity, just like we gave to mobsters that testified to higher level criminals.
For those of you who say the law was not broken, why do they need immunity?
What did congressional leadership get for this deal? It doesn’t seem like they got anything.
Congress already knows who told the telecoms to conduct the warrantless wiretapping.
The telecoms merely have to show a federal judge they were guaranteed immunity if they spied on their customers, as requested by the President.
What is Hoyer doing?
This kind of decision, considering the current presidential race, and McCain’s recent comments, plus little or no consultation with other members of the House seems like something a real amateur mistake.
How did this guy get into leadership again?
Hoyer is “doing” exactly what the people of the Maryland 5th elected him to do 27 years ago. “This guy” is the 2nd most powerful Dem in the House, not some rank-and-file jackass you happen to disagree with.
It’s not his, or the rest of the Dem leadership’s, job to create campaign issues for Obama. Hoyer’s job was to work out a bill that would pass and be signed by the president. He did his job. Further, it’s a better bill than the one the Senate passed…
You and the ACLU can be pissed all you want…but no one’s going to care about this by the time next Thursday rolls around. Hoyer knows it, Pelosi knows it…so they came up w/ a compromise the president will agree with and then they can go about their business. It’s simple politics. Unless you vote in the Maryland 5th or California 8th (Pelosi’s district IIRC) there’s not a whole lot you can do about it…
No he really is some rank and file jackass that I more than disagree with.
It is his job to protect the Constitution, which is a legitimate and important campaign issue this cycle. Since when does rolling over and taking up the keister mean a Representative is “doing his job”? LOL! I would hate to know where you work! (joking)
“Further, it’s a better bill than the one the Senate passed…” So what you are saying is that between two pieces of shite we should pick the one that smells less putrid and is a more pleasing shade of brown? No thanks.
I am pissed. I disagree that folks are just going to forget about this by this time next Thursday. Sorry dude.
“It’s simple politics.” Thats the f’in problem!!! You have to at least think that things can be better, or you are simply pissing your rights away. F*ck politics! We are talking about your right not to be spied on by the government. I’d take bullets for that.
his job was to craft a bill. That’s why House Dems elected him Majority Leader and not John Murtha. He did what he was asked and a veto-proof majority agreed with him. That’s how it works.
There’s nothing wrong with disagreeing with the bill but acting like me and the 293 members of congress that agree with me are some sort of uncaring, ignorant jackasses is just annoying…
Like it or not, Dems only control 1 branch of government. They did what they had to do and went with the slightly more appealing shade of brown…
His job is not to “work out a bill that would pass and be signed by the President” – his job is to represent his district and the People in general and to protect our rights under the Constitution. The President has betrayed our trust – we owe him nothing.
You want long-term fall-out? This vote will produce some. My county party isn’t likely to forget between now and three weeks from now about this vote, and although as chair I won’t be authoring such a measure, it will likely make an official move to censure Udall (and Sen. Salzar if he follows in Udall’s footsteps). Other party officials in other counties will likely be doing similar things over the course of the next month or so; that could generate negative news stories. Poll disapproval ratings will be going up, and that can generate doubt for fundraising. We might not be able to affect Pelosi or Hoyer directly, but whether we (and they) like it or not, this is going to cause ripples that affect their jobs.
In the context of Hoyer being the chief negotiator between the House and Admin, “his job” was to work out a bill. He did that.
And what type of “long-term fall-out” do you really think there will be? You’re a reasonable and intelligent guy. What is going to happen? A few counties are going to throw a fit and Udall raises a few less nickels and still wins in Nov? Hoyer and Pelosi only get 79% of the vote instead of their usual 80%?
Yes indeed, Phoenix; when the first day of the 111th Congress rolls around, Jared Polis (tic) and the rest of the Colorado Dem delegation will be saying “Pelosi” when the clerk calls their name and asks for their vote for Speaker…
This vote may cause a bit of a ripple, but when President Obama is sworn in 17 days later, very few people are going to remember who voted for what on June 20, 2008… I’m not saying that’s right, I’m saying it’s politics.
I do hope everything is “just fine” when the new occupant of the White House is sworn in on Jan 20, 2009.
But today, everything is NOT fine.
What is it with some people who can’t figure out that working out a bill should NEVER involve giving up your country’s core principles or selling out your countryman’s lives for some madman’s ego-trip?
You know – every time people make apologetic statements about this, I feel more sympathetic with the idiots who didn’t do their cause any good by acting like fools in Udall’s office.
No more. No more “compromise” when it writes off our civil liberties. No more “compromise” when our troops and our treasury are being held hostage by corporations who threaten us when we question their over-billing. No more compromising so that We The People can be regularly shafted by credit card companies and oil companies padding their record profits and sending the money off where it won’t be taxed.
That’s not compromise – it’s selling out your country dirt cheap.
Degette – No
Udall – Yea
Salazar – Yea
Perlmutter – Yea
I don’t have Republican results, but I’m guessing they all voted Yea.
I was in CD-1 instead of CD-7.
Oh well, Ed Perlmutter doesn’t like me very much already. What harm could one more argument do?
Glad to have you as my Congresswoman.
Stay in office as long as you like.
Please front page this. It is big news regardless of which candidate you support in the Senate race.
You know, it is too bad that the 4th Amendment to the Constitution does not make as much money as the 2nd, otherwise we would have a multi-million dollar lobbying organization out there defending the rights of “law abiding citizens”.
People will fight to death for their guns, but not worry about illegal search and seizure For those who need a reminder”
This new law is basically a British Writ of Assistance.