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June 26, 2008 03:06 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

–Benjamin Franklin

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    1. “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” –Benjamin Franklin

      Harassment – Politics – Forced Dues – Corruption

      1. Perhaps the good senator would like to introduce a resolution to make April 20th Colorado Employment Freedom Day. It might be a more edifying floor debate then the annual Ronald-Regan-Set-Us-Free resolutions.

    2. to revisit my recent thoughts: A semi rolling down Floyd Hill without brakes is graceless….but it does convey a certain sense of raw power….and people better get out of its way…

  2. McCain just held a secret meeting with Latino leaders in Chicago to Tancredo’s amazement, and now it’s being reported by the GayPatriot that McCain held a closed door meeting with the head of the Log Cabin Republicans.

    He’s already written off support from James Dobson but I wonder if this will further complicate McCain’s chances of unifying the conservative base.

      1.    McCain is not THAT bad when it comes to G & L issues.  I suspect the Log Cabin folks are trying to keep him from going too far to pander to the theocratic wing nuts between now and Nov.

          He has consistently voted against Musty and Allard’s Federal Marriage Amendment, he has gone out of his way in past to call the “agent of intolerance” what they are (i.e., agents of intolerance), and on a personal level, he is purportedly not uncomfortable around gay men and lesbians.

          That said, I don’t realistically expect him to demand that the GOP platform committee excise out all the homophobic crap in his party’s platform.  

        1. He only called the agents of intolerance “agents of intolerance” when they helped deny him the nomination in 2000–he promptly went back to them this election cycle, kissed their….rings, praised them, and sought their support for his campaign.  Yes, he has opposed the FMA, but he supported the amendment to the Arizona constitution that would have prohibited not only marriage, but civil unions in that state.  He opposes ENDA and getting rid of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.  

          As to him being comfortable around gay folks, I don’t give a crap if his best friend is gay…(J. Edgar Hoover had several gay friends–even slept with a few, and that didn’t stop him from demonizing them) I don’t want to be his friend, I want to know how his policies are going to impact my family.

          I’ll grant you that he’s no Jesse Helms, but he certainly isn’t a Chris Shays either.

  3. from the Denver Post

    National media representatives are upset that an area designated for protesters during the Democratic National Convention is right next to press tents on the Pepsi Center’s grounds, reports Jeremy Meyer.

    Wow, being right next to the protesters they might be forced to report on the protests…

  4. How is Gibbs doing in his campaign? He used to represent me in state house but since his appt. to JFG’s old seat I don’t hear much.

    I know he has a terrific legislative record, bipartisan, passes numerous bills, worked with truckers for an improved chain law, etc.

    1. There are legal limits on the types of campaign activity a legislator can do while the Assembly is in session. The idea is to keep lobbyist’s checkbooks away from the floor. But you can expect all the campaigns to start getting more visible.

       You can see Dan’s website at dangibbs.org

      And you can read about some of his recent legislative accomplishments in this story from the Longmont Times-Call:

      Gov. Bill Ritter this week signed into law a package of bills he said would provide stronger tools for trying to keep Colorado’s beetle-infected forests healthy.

      The measures will “get us a little closer to achieving that healthy-forest vision, and they provide some actual funding and incentives to implement that vision,” Ritter said after a signing ceremony at the Keystone Lodge Conference Center.

      Silverthorne Democratic Sen. Dan Gibbs, who sponsored several of those bills, said in a statement that “Colorado’s forests and watersheds are among our most critical resources, and we must do all we can to protect them.”

      One of Gibbs’ measures, Senate Bill 71, extends through 2012 a one-year forest-restoration pilot program the Legislature approved last year, providing $1 million a year to help communities implement forest-treatment projects to reduce wildfire fuels and protect watersheds.

      Gibbs’ Senate Bill 221 authorizes the Colorado Water Resources and Power Development Authority to issue up to $50 million in bonds to fund watershed protection and forest-health projects.

      Gibbs, whose Senate district extends into western Boulder County, said “it’s heartbreaking to see the extent of the devastation in our mountain forests” caused by pine beetles.

      “Removing all that dead timber will greatly reduce the threat of catastrophic wildfires and help protect our forests, our water and our way of life,” Gibbs said.

    2. then why was it a 5-4 decision?

      I always feel more comfortable when something considered a landmark decision carries by more than a 1-vote margin. If you can’t convince a single jurist of the other leaning, then how robust can the ruling be? This of course cuts both ways for conservatives and liberals.  

    4. Now they’ve just read the pre-amble out of the Constitution.  Why?  Because this is a pet political issue and they had to give payback.  What ever happened to original intent?  Now they’re saying that because society changed (i.e. we don’t have militias anymore) that it is OK to read out that clause of the Constitution.  Let’s just be real.  Each side interprets the constitution.  Each side makes law from the bench.

      Wow.  This looks like Roe for guns.  You can ban in school and public buildings, you can ban mentally disabled people and felons, you can ban certain types of weapons.  How, how is this any different that what they did in Roe?

      2.    It really does read like Roe v. Wade, that’s the real irony about it!  

          There is a personal constitutional right to firearms (I don’t necessarily have a problem with that concept any more than I have problem with the right to abortion), but the right can be subjected to some limitations and regulations.

          Activist judges….you gotta love ’em!

        1. .

          I don’t believe there’s a Constitutional right to abortion,

          and I’d have to believe in that “right” to follow the argument, I guess.

          .

  6. The Fund for America is closing down and MoveOn is closing it’s 527.

    First off, Obama’s team may be good but they’re not perfect. Having multiple groups means that we will have different efforts and the best will have their effect.

    Second, there are things an independent group can say that it does not work for the candidate’s team to say. They lose the “independent” voice.

    Third, I distrust teams that want to control everything. Are we going to get that same rigid control in Washington once Obama is elected.

    I hope other groups choose to stay independent and run their own ads during the election.

    1. MoveOn’s 527 is kind of an orphaned child with the Democratic Party shunning 527 and PAC help.  They can do better on issue advocacy, pushing for specific changes that move everyone away from the precipice of unregulated free-market capitalism (aka plutocracy).

  7. “It’s the latest chapter of running for cover when the Administration tries to intimidate Democrats on national security issues,” he told The Young Turks radio show. “It’s the most embarrassing failure of the Democrats I’ve seen since 2006, other than the failure to vote to end the Iraq war. These are the two real sad aspects of an otherwise pretty good record. It’s letting George Bush and Dick Cheney have their way even though they’re that unpopular and on their way out. It’s really incredible.”

    And yet some posters here will flame me claiming that Saint Mark is perfect even with his craven vote on the FISA bill. Because we dare not admit other…

    1. who kept vigorously defending K. Salazar against similar criticisms.  Neither they nor anyone else seems to have been as quick to rush to Udall’s defense on this one.

    2. I think Udall’s vote on this sucked. But his vote on this one topic, as much as it disappoints me, does not make or break my support for him, anymore than it makes or breaks my support for Obama. And let’s face it,  Udall was one of more than a hundred Democrats that voted for this crap.

      Calling Udall names such as milquetoast and Saint Mark, over one vote that you disagree with, is not only unhelpful but more than a bit juvenile. I called Udall’s office and expressed my disapproval and left my name and address and asked for him to follow up with me personally. If I receive a reply, I’d be happy to update you and post it here.  

      1. Here’s the choices as I see them:

        a) support a primary opponent who will lose

        b) vote against Udall and support a Republican

        c) not vote

        d) vote for Udall

        I’ll choose d.

          1. send him a dozen black roses?

            I’m teasing of course.  We should let our congressional delegation know they have gone against what constituents wish for them.

            Personally, I’ve had enough of the federal egomaniacs.  They listen, they hear, they don’t act, they pick their nose and flavorful tidbits for the public to hear.  They have given poor advice on legislative issues I’ve worked on with them in previous years.  They haven’t successfully moved much legislation to help Colorado or our local communities.

            I’m not happy with any of them but I’m not voting them out. The devil you know…

            Figured it more worth my time to redirect efforts to where they actually make a difference – state and local politics.  

  8. SCOTUS strikes down “Millionaire’s Amendment”

    I’m excited that the Supreme Court has protected the rights of millionaires like Jared Polis to continue to use our political process as their own personal sandbox.

    The best democracy money can buy.

    “What a place to hang out is a sandbox

    Bury things you don’t want

    And dig up things you do want

    And the sun is on your face”

    – Michael Houser

    http://steampoweredopinions.bl…

    1. Will and Joan qualified for increased funds under the MA a long time ago.  No idea what this means for their campaigns.

      The MA was a decent idea but bad legislating.  By invoking an asymmetrical rule, it broke the cardinal law: don’t discriminate against a particular class of people.  I agree with the decision, even though I find the MA’s goals laudable.

  9. “In the U.S. Senate race, U.S. Rep. Mark Udall, the Democrat, leads Republican Robert Schaffer 48 – 38 percent, including 54 – 27 percent among independent voters.

    Colorado voters support 66 – 15 percent a constitutional amendment outlawing discrimination or preferential treatment in public employment, contracting or education. ”

    http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x414…

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