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June 10, 2015 06:46 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“If society fits you comfortably enough, you call it freedom.”

–Robert Frost

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    1. Breathtaking. Now, why don't they ever apply this logic to women who choose to terminate? Maybe she had a dream that she was carrying a "bad seed"?

      1. I know, Cook…lets do a little thought experiment, shall we?

        A friend's son tragically dies. I tell her, "Pat Robertson says it's OK, because he could have grown up to be Hitler." Does this make her feel better? How is our friendship after that?

        Another friend chooses to terminate a pregnancy. She has consulted with herself, her doctor, her spiritual leader. She says, "It's OK, because now my other children will have better opportunities in life." Does Pat Robertson agree, or does he say that legal abortion is just like the Nazi Holocaust? If so, does that mean that Robertson's God allowed lots of "little Hitlers" to grow up, and if so, why? "Mysterious Ways", and all that?

        So, Robertson's logical contradictions and random use of the Nazi meme aside, there is better news from Georgia. Kenlissa Jones, the young, black woman in Georgia who aborted her pregnancy using a pill at 22 weeks, delivered a child in a taxicab. Kenlissa was jailed and charged with murder.  But the murder charge was dropped, because wealthier women in Georgia may still legally have +20 week abortions – but only in hospital settings.

         

         

      2. From God's will to your ears, through his soulless, hateful, sanctimonious mouth…I have a particular loathing for such "men of God". Gods' will, however apparently contradictory can always be explained in the same way….you know, God sez…shit happens..

        just chalk it up to a lesson from God and don't forget to drop off your tithe check on your way out…

    1. Kos and completely unscientific but yeah.  Shows the liberal base (I'm done with "progressive which seems to have been invented because the big bad Rs scared us into agreeing that liberal is a bad word) is less than thrilled with HRC. When push comes to shove Bernie's is just an issues campaign and good for him. It serves a noble purpose.

    2. Sure and why not?

      I agree with Sanders more than I agree with Hillary, and O'Malley turned me off from the get-go by going negative during his campaign launch.

      This country needs an executive with a strong drive to clean up the mess. A President can't clear out Congress on his own, but he has control over a vast swath of executive employees. It's time we implemented a few executive policies to weed out the corrupt leeches that plague our country.

      For example, I understand that we're currently investigating a number of major banks who are the brokers in US Treasury bond sales. Seems they've been rigging the market. Imagine if these corrupted banks – some of the largest in the world – had to sit on the sidelines and let other not-so-corrupt banks get the benefit of brokering our bonds. It won't kill them, but it will damage their reputation and stop them from bilking us of taxpayer money.

  1. Well, apparently the fast track vote in the House will be on Friday. According to The Hill, Polis will vote in favor of the bill, DeGette will vote against it and Perlmutter is undecided. I expect that Perlmutter's final decision will be based upon whether his vote is needed to pass the bill.  How can he be undecided at this point?  Me thinks he will vote in favor of the bill but doesn't want a lot of flack from us here in the 7th District.

    Keep in mind that a vote for this bill not only fast tracks trade agreements but cuts Medicare to pay for the Trade Adjustment Assistance.  Given Perlmutter's past support for cutting Social Security benefits for the elderly, I will find it difficult to vote for him in the next election if he votes for this bill.  (I have walked his district for and with him in past elections.)

  2. Nothing wrong with TAA, but why should the labor force pay for this program? I would venture a guess that the majority of Medicare recipients are in many other ways greatly dependent upon working members of their families. How can congressman Polis justify this vote? …am I missing something?

    And can someone please explain to me why corporations should be given sovereignty over nations…or am I missing something else?

     

    1. He was always a corporatist and only liberal on social issues. Never was much of a fan though it's better than having another R.  A low bar these days. My cat or a rock would qualify as better than any R. If anything I'd put him a little to the right of Bennet, much despised by so many here.  I've always seen him as being pretty much motivated entirely by self interest. Being gay and having fracking in his own back yard seem to account for the only things that ever moved him slightly to the left. 

  3. I didn’t want to think it was such a shallow and egocentric reason. I had hoped he had , at least, some reasoned (however poorly) explanation for a vote so obviously detrimental to the interests of the majority of his constituents..
    Pretty shameful, Congressman…

    1. I find this as unsurprising coming from Polis as I did Obama turning out to be as centrist as he always claimed to be. Like Obama, Polis never presented himself as any kind of lefty, "progressive"' or liberal or whatever we're letting the right tell us what to call it these days. I kind of fail to see why people behaving exactly as they present themselves is disappointing or shameful. Polis never tried to dupe anyone the way Romanoff did when he primaried Bennet as the progressive champion after a political lifetime of being nothing close.

      Polis has always voted decidedly pro-corporate. Romanoff supporters in 2014, including me, should have been way less baffled by Romanoff''s opening 2014 ad salvo highlighting the center right message…. lets require a balanced federal budget… and not mentioning anything much that we cared most about. 

      We really need to stop wishful thinking ourselves about every Dem who runs and accept that it's usually going to be a matter of settling for a better alternative than the R. The chances that the alternative will be our knight in shining liberal armor are slim. Had I lived in Polis' district when he first ran I would not have gone for him for the nomination but, once nominated, would have voted for him knowing what I was getting by virtue of believing my own eyes and ears and his own record.

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