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June 12, 2015 11:57 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Money without brains is always dangerous.”

–Napoleon Hill

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    1. While Kansas burns under the leadership of a conservative Catholic (#kochcatholics), our previous Gov takes on climate, stewardship, social justice and the economy…

      Ritter confirms role in Vatican encyclical on climate change

      "Following hard on the heels of last week’s sermon, in which the Pope labeled ideological, right-wing Christian fundamentalism as “an illness” that doesn’t serve Jesus Christ, the conservative Catholics who have dominated the Church for the past half-century must be reaching for their blood pressure medicines. Infallibility and the role of the Pope in the Church as the Vicar of Christ were far more congenial concepts when the Vatican’s message was one of pampering the powerful.

       

      1. Gotta love that guy….his Holiness, I mean.

         

        Michael, let me know the next time you are traveling this way. I have a friend who would like to meet you…a former state official I think you might like to get to know, as well. Also, I am wondering if "Willies Reserve" will be available in DeBeque anytime soon…? do you know those who might have that answer?

        I hope all is well….

        1. I do know who has that answer!  I'll make sure you get to be an 'early adopter'…it's the least I can do!  I have a lot of travel in the next couple of weeks but July is (purposely) slow…maybe we can make it happen then.  

          The Pope's encyclical is trending on Twitter today … a phenomena that Inhofe and his brood of #CarbonPharaohs won't understand.  Francis has put a spark back in the eye of many fallen Catholics and non-Catholics alike – including myself.  I'm pretty sure the American bishops could crack walnuts with their rear-ends right now. Life was just so much easier for them when they could cater and pamper the rich and powerful while giving lip service to the least amongst us.  Let's hope someone has to sell their ruby slippers before long. 

          1. Duke – I've been thinking about this and I think we should have a CoPols gathering around this…maybe even name a strain or two for the retail market?  Something that makes you really stupid in honor of, well…so many options.  Something that makes you sharp and witty? Lots of options there, too.  It would no doubt be epic!

              1. Oh, I'll be there. Really, this time! I'm going down to Denver for Father's Day with the remaining fathers in my extended family… but that's probably too soon to call for a Pols get-together.

                And I've got a new "strain name": The House Brand – for when things just don't smell right.

                Plus, I suppose it doesn't have to be in Denver.

  2. Bernie coming to Denver next Saturday.

    Is he a crazy Socialist just trying to send Mike Rosen into cardiac arrhythmia? Nope. Most of his views fall in the mainstream of what Americans support.

    Not sure? Go see him…….

    Bernie Sanders for President

    Denver Town Meeting with Bernie Sanders

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    Join Democractic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders and local leaders for a town meeting in Denver to discuss how we:

    Get big money out of politics

    Deal with obscene wealth and income inequality

    Combat climate change

    Make college education affordable

    TIME:Saturday, June 20, 2015 7:30 PM – 8:30 PM MDTHOST:Bernie SandersLOCATION:University of Denver (Denver, CO)

    Hamilton Gymnasium at the Ritchie Center
    2240 E. Buchtel Boulevard
    Denver, CO 80208

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    DIRECTIONS:The Ritchie Center is about a 5 minute walk from the University of Denver light rail station. Limited street parking is available in the surrounding area. On-site parking is available for $7 per vehicle.

    If you think America's millionaires and billionaires are doing just fine, you'll like Bernie:

    Mother Jones: How bad is inequality now, in your view?

    Bernie Sanders: Between 2013 and 2015, the wealthiest 14 people saw their wealth increase by $157 billion. This is their wealth increase, got it? Not what they are worth. Increase. That $157 billion is more wealth than is owned by the bottom 40 percent of the American people. One family, the Walton family, owns more wealth than the bottom 40 percent. In the last 35 or 40 years, there has been an increasingly aggressive effort on the part of the top 1 percent to take it all.

    Mother Jones: To be the devil's advocate, why should we care about that?

    Bernie Sanders: I think this goes back to the Bible. There is something immoral when so few have so much and so many have so little. I don't come to San Francisco very often, but we've driven around the city and seen people sleeping out on the streets. In my state, you've got people working 40, 50 hours a week and going to emergency food shelves because they don't earn enough money to feed their families adequately. You have millions of young people graduating college deeply in debt. They can't get their lives started, can't get married. So I think the issue of income and wealth inequality is in fact a moral issue.

    Second of all, it becomes a political issue. The Koch brothers will end up spending far, far, far more than all of the Democratic billionaires. But even if it were equal, which it is certainly not, you're a billionaire and I'm a billionaire—you want to control the political process from your point of view and I from my point of view. That is not what American democracy is about. Which is why I believe we've got to overturn Citizens United and move to public funding of elections.

    It's a moral issue. It's an issue of fairness. When many of Colorado's congressional delegation still unfailingly support banks and corporations over our neighbors and co-workers, there is a problem. 

          1. Over 5,100 at last count… Bernie's going to have to find a bigger venue or hire sound technicians for the overflow of 2,000 people who believe in Bernie.

    3. I signed up, but I tweeted and FB'ed Bernie asking if Bernie would be willing to provide sign language interpreters for the 20th, and haven't heard back yet…

      Would love to have a email contact info to ask Bernie – I'm deaf, and would LOVE to hear him speak at DU!

        1. That's looking less and less certain. He's at 44-32 (Clinton-Sanders) now in New Hampshire after only a few weeks. I pretty much wrote him off at first, but he's firing up the base – and a lot of independents – to the point where he could very well win primaries and caucuses and become a real force.

          Let's face it – most of us complain about some of the weak sauce we get from Democrats. Polis for his support of TPA/TAA, Hickenlooper for his support of O&G, Bennet for his support of crappy "reform" proposals – the list goes on and on.

          Sanders doesn't have that problem. He's someone to support because he's unashamedly in favor of a lot of things we wish we as Democrats could do or have. He's not afraid to be against the corporate/megadonor purchase of Congress and many state legislatures, not afraid to say that the banks are getting away with crimes any of the rest of us would be jailed for, not afraid to say just how unbalanced our economy and society have become or how that is damaging our future.

          I'm more than happy to hear it – and more than happy to hear Clinton taking the same basic tack, though more conservative and not as complete. Obama has taken one for the team – proven that, no matter how much we want it, Republicans aren't interested in being team players for the nation. We can take off the gloves and fight on our terms without shame, because the middle of the road once again should only ever be occupied by yellow lines and dead skunks.

          1. Early polling in places like New Hampshire and Iowa are increasingly meaningless. Look at all the R nut bags who have had early stellar showings which didn't stop establishment nominations of McCain and Romney. Even Obama, the first serious non-white candidate, won as a down the line non-scary (except to the racist right) centrist.

            I appreciate what you're saying but Bernie Sanders is not going to get the nomination. His campaign is serving as a valuable issues campaign and adding to the Warren generated pressure on HRC to move a little bit toward center left.  If he did get the nomination he'd be soundly defeated, probably worse than McGovern, but that's a hypothetical that is never going to happen.

            He's not Christian. He's a self proclaimed Socialist Dem, whatever that means. As we know, social safety net programs don't constitute socialism. Truly socialist medicine, for instance, would mean the state owning all the medical facilities and all the doctors being employees of the state, completely unlike the way present Medicare works or universal Medicare would work.  But he chooses to call himself Socialist and that's not going to fly.

            Despite the cute item going around the internet about how people doubting that a Socialist Jew can be elected President in this country should remember that we celebrate a Socialist Jew every Dec. 25th the fact is the premise is correct. There will be no Socialist Jew on the presidential ticket in 2016, much less in the WH in 2017.

            First black? Done. First female? Probably. I'm not holding my breath at this point in time for the first Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist or any indie who uses "Socialist" as part of his or her self identification to be selected for the top of  the ticket.

              1. Guilty as charged. I'm old enough to remember what works and what doesn't.

                I remember folks back in 1980 saying that there wasn't a dime’s worth of difference between Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. Don't get me wrong, Carter was incompetent but Reagan was worse. As a gay man who watched a lot of my friends die throughout the 1980's and 1990's, I beg to differ with my left wing friends who saw no difference between Carter and Reagan. There was a difference.

                And I remember my left wing friends thinking that if we vote for John Anderson, we'll reclaim our party and get a real liberal in the White House in 1984. Or in 1988. How did that work out? 

                BTW, the "not a dime’s worth of difference" was the way my left wing friends characterized the choice between Al Gore and G.W. Bush when they declared their affection for Ralph Nader. We saw how that worked out.

                It wasn't until that conniving, philandering liar and his Lady MacBeth clone of wife won in 1992 that a Democrat – or as some might say, a DINO – got elected. But that DINO was still a hell of a lot better than Daddy Bush or Bob Dole.

                I caucused for Hillary in 2008 because one thing that Clintons don't like to do is lose elections and after eight years of the Shrub, I wanted a Democrat (or even a DINO) elected. It wasn't a vote against Obama. I enthusiastically voted for him in the general and I was thrilled when he got elected.  Frankly, I feel a little sorry for him as some of his most fanatical supporters during the primary campaign in '08 have turned on him.

                Yeah, I'm ready for Hillary. Because she can raise the money necessary to be competitive (courtesy of Citizens United which is another after effect of the left's antipathy towards Al Gore) and will resort to anything necessary to win. 

                1. First line: good answer.

                  Of course, in the rest of your post you're comparing the Democratic presidential candidate with the Republican or Independent in the race.

                  I'll say this: it's my sincere hope that if Clinton is to be the nominee, she earns the nomination.

                2. I take exception with comparing Bernie on the left to Tea Partiers on the right. Just because I believe he doesn't have a snowball's chance doesn't mean I think he's a wacko or that his ideas are  awful .This strikes me asjust as false as those who say the right has Rush and the left has Maddow as if they're somehow mirror images. Not at all. 

                  1. I concur. The problem is – the Democratic Party is center of right, and calling us mainstream Democrats fringe left? Are we tired of lurching to the right because we lose elections to actual right-winger?

                     

                     

                3. Also I don't remember anyone saying there wasn't any difference between Reagan and Carter. If anyone did they were the same idiots who later went for Nader because there wasn't any difference between Gore  and Bush and nobody with a higher IQ  than a piece of a piece of toast paid attention.  As for Carter, you don't have to be a rightie to view him as a pretty mediocre Prez. Much better x-Prez. Reagan was awful but nobody could consider the ways in which each wasn't very good at all similar.

  3. Finally figured out what is going on in Craig:

    Right-wing nutjobs are blowing a story out of proportion and calling for a boycott on New Belgium for supporting an environmental group that successfully sued to make sure the Department of Interior checks the environmental impact of the Colowyo mine.

    The mine has until September to do the study and they will get it done by then and no jobs will be lost because of this. In fact, this is the way things work! By completing the assessment, the Colowyo mine will be able to say they care about the people and environment around Craig and go about their business.

    1. That's the best case scenario, chickenheed. The environmental assessment will get done by September, no doubt, and people will not be laid off "overnight". However, the assessment has teeth in it – carbon gas  and health impacts will be assessed for the mine. Tri State power will have to install new pollution-control equipment.  Penalties for not meeting goals will be set and enforced, however lackadaisically, by the EPA.

      That's what they don't want. They'd prefer to mine coal in a consequence-free environment, kind of like going to war in Iraq for ten years on a taxpayer-backed credit card This is the way it's always been done. This is the status quo that CO's congressional delegation, the right wing talkers, and the beer boycotters are fighting to keep in place.

      They see Judge Jackson's ruling to keep to the letter of the law as a slippery slope, which may lead to accounting for the externalized costs of coal, which are around .18 a killowatt/hr higher. Even without making coal companies account for externalized costs, coal as a commodity is losing ground, around the world, and in the United States. Natural gas is cheaper for heating. Renewables, particularly wind, are cheaper for generating electricity.

      The double whammy of pending environmental "teeth" and lower demand for coal generally, has impelled energy giant Peabody cut 200 jobs , even though it got an EPA award for its Seneca mine reclamation in 2005. Peabody still runs the twentymile mine in the area, and the Trapper mine, which decreased production for the second year in a row. That's the thing about global warming – it makes it warmer, mostly, so people heat their spaces less.

      Here are the money quotes from a 2014 meeting in Craig about Tri-State:

      McGrath (EPA Region 8 Administrator)sought to assure Wednesday’s crowd that there’s a role for coal in the EPA’s proposal, and that the agency projects the fuel will account for about 31 percent of national power generation by 2030.

      “There’s nothing in our proposal that requires a facility of any kind to close,” he said.

      He pointed to a settlement reached this summer between the EPA, environmental groups and Tri-State under which new nitrogen oxide controls will be installed to reduce haze pollution from the plant.

      “As a result, the Craig power station is going to be open many years into the future, is what we see,” McGrath said.

      But Rick Johnson, the plant’s manager, said the EPA measures have the potential to cause some coal-fired power plants to shut down, and Tri-State believes it will have to run some of those plants far less.

      “And for you coal miners, I hate to say this, but that means less production needed from the coal mines,” he said.

      The costs of coal, when environmental compliance is factored in, keep escalating. 

      European companies can't divest from coal fast enough. China. which infamously burned coal for decades, ruining its air and its urban population's lungs, is burning less coal, and moving towards renewables as fast as it possibly can.

      I think the best case scenario for Moffat County would be to keep the mine open, but begin to build and bring on other renewable sources of energy and livelihood into the Moffat community. It does sound as if the people in Craig are working on that.

  4. Yesterday, I posted a comment about the arcane procedures in the House of Representatives which were used for the votes Friday on Fasttrack. As I pointed out, Fasttrack is not dead yet. It being reported that the Republican leadership is planning to bring the Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) program up for a re-vote on Tuesday. TAA was the part that was resoundingly defeated and upset the apple cart for passage of Fasttrack on Friday.  Therefore, the battle is not over yet.  We need to work for the defeat of TAA again on Tuesday or Fasttrack will head to Obama's desk to be signed.

    This brings me to the Colorado hook. I analyzed the Democratic representatives votes on the three sections.  Polis is a lost cause.  DeGette opposes Fasttrack and I think she gets that approval of TAA will result in the overall passage of Fasttrack.  But, it wouldn't hurt if her constituents let her know that they are aware of the importance of a No vote on TAA if it comes uo on Tuesday.

    Now, lets turn to Perlmutter.  He voted in favor of TAA on Friday – bucking the rest of the Democratic caucus. Then, once TAA was defeated and Fasttrack had enough votes later on, he voted against Fasttrack. Neat trick. He can say he voted for TAA in a losing battle and against Fasttrack when his vote didn't matter.  Don't be fooled.

    If Perlmutter (or any Democrat for that matter) is really opposed to Fasttrack, he (or she – Yes, I looking at you Diana) will vote against TAA when it comes up on Tuesday.  TAA is like putting a band-aid on a gushing wound.  It can never makeup for the damage that Fasttrack and the trade deals it is intended to facilitate will do to American workers, the environment and our democracy.

    Please, call, write, fax or email you representative and tell him/her to vote against TAA if the Republican leadership brings it up for a vote on Tuesday.

  5. You're kidding, right – Napoleon Hill?  For those of you who don't know him, here is a little something from Wikipedia:

    Napoleon Hill (October 26, 1883 – November 8, 1970) was an American author in the area of the new thought movement who was one of the earliest producers of the modern genre of personal-success literature. He is widely considered to be one of the great writers on success.[1] His most famous work, Think and Grow Rich (1937), is one of the best-selling books of all time (at the time of Hill's death in 1970, Think and Grow Rich had sold 20 million copies).[2] Hill's works examined the power of personal beliefs, and the role they play in personal success. He became an advisor to President Franklin D. Roosevelt from 1933 to 1936[citation needed]. "Anything the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can be achieved," is one of Hill's hallmark expressions.[3][4] How achievement actually occurs, and a formula for it that puts success in reach of the average person, were the focal points of Hill's books.

    Not the most progressive person. The first of the financial, self-help con-men.

    1. There's still no way to squeeze more than 1% into the top 1% no matter how many inspirational self help books everybody reads. What matters is what kind of society we want for the general population.

    2. Think and Grow Rich now has sold 70 million copies, according to Wiki…I took a number of sales training courses in the late 70s and early 80s. It was on the required reading list then…probably still is. Og Mandino was another of those guys…great name…don't you think?

  7. Davos Democrats – Polis and Perlmutter continue blind support of Obama's bad trade bills:

    You'd think no self-respecting Democrats would even consider voting for this massive turd. 144 Democrats followed Pelosi (and their own consciences) to vote NO, while 40 Democrats– overwhelmingly New Dems and Blue Dogs— followed Hoyer and Israel over to the Dark Side with the 86 Republicans. The final vote against it was 126-302.

    The 40 Democrats willing to wreck Medicare included New Dem Chairman Ron Kind (WI) plus all 5 of his vice-Chairs, Gerry Connolly (VA), Susan Davis (CA), Jim Himes (CT), Jared Polis (CO) and John Carney (DE). In all, of the 40 walking-dead Dems, over half were New Dems: 

    • Brad Ashford (New Dem-NE)
    • Ami Bera (New Dem-CA)
    • Don Beyer (New Dem-VA)
    • John Carney (New Dem-DE)
    • Gerry Connolly (New Dem-VA)
    • Jim Cooper (New Dem-TN)
    • Susan Davis (New Dem-CA)
    • John Delaney (New Dem-MD)
    • Suzan DelBene (New Dem-WA)
    • Bill Foster (New Dem-IL)
    • Denny Heck (New Dem-WA)
    • Jim Himes (New Dem-CT)
    • Derek Kilmer (New Dem-WA)
    • Ron Kind (New Dem-WI)
    • Rick Larsen (New Dem-WA)
    • Greg Meeks (New Dem-NY)
    • Ed Perlmutter (New Dem-CO)
    • Scott Peters (New Dem-CA)
    • Jared Polis (New Dem-CO)
    • …

    The New Dems are a cancer inside the Democratic Party. Grassroots voters should annihilate them as thoroughly as they annihilated their spiritual forefathers, the contemptible Blue Dogs. They are the Wall Street wing of the Democratic Party and are consistently up to no good. There's a page for people who like seeing toxic Republicans, New Dems and Blue Dogs hunted down and defeated at the polls.

    As Charles Pierce pointed out so eloquently yesterday for Esquire, You can't really understand what happened– or appreciate what may happen next– without taking into account the transformative effect of the economic collapse of 2008 on our politics. There now is a legitimate progressive power base within the Democratic party that no longer takes the prerogatives of the corporate class as inviolable, and that must be considered seriously by any Democratic president and by any Democratic politician. (I wouldn't have threatened primaries were I Democracy For America, but I'd also be hard-pressed not to admit it might've worked.) This is not a failure of presidential leadership. It's the assertion of political power from another direction. If that unnerves the Green Room consensus, that's too bad. The president got a bad beat, not because he is a bad president, but because, on this issue, on this Friday afternoon, he found himself trying to sell something to a constituency that has changed. I think he has the good sense to realize this and to adjust his strategy accordingly. At the very least, he will realize that what happened to him and to his agenda today was a long time coming." 

    I've always wondered why Polis is in the Progressive Caucus…….he does almost nothing with it or for it.

      1. Why Fast Track?

        Why not make the case in the open andhave a public debate?

         

        ps

        If the sun continues to rise and set, Chinese economic dominance in the western Pacific.

      3. Seems to me if fear of China can drive us to screw American workers, treat slavers with kid gloves, surrender our right to control our own environmental and banking rules and regs or to set our own minimum wage then the Chinese dominance ship has already sailed.

        We're still the world's last super power standing. There should be alternatives to curling up into fetal position for fear of China or anyone else. We should be able to get a better deal. We should be calling shots. And by "we" I don't mean the corporations who are not people, have no nationality or patriotic loyalties. I mean we the self governing people of the USA through our elected government. Apparently we're making enough noise that our elected reps are taking some notice.

  8. HRC gave her big speech this weekend and never mentioned the trade deal. Media and internet blew up over how lame that was. On second try she explained that she would talk about it after it was final. More guffawing. Third try looks a little better.  Oh and after her speech Chis Christie made a crack about how he thought Elizabeth Warren wasn't running. So the pressure from Warren and Bernie is nudging Clinton in a more liberal direction. If she's elected, guess we'll find out if that was just for the election or if her policy will actually reflect movement the teensiest bit toward center left.

    Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton encouraged President Barack Obama on Sunday to listen to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D) on trade.

    "The president should listen to and work with his allies in Congress, starting with Nancy Pelosi," Clinton said while speaking at a rally in Iowa.

    Pelosi took to the House floor Friday to oppose trade legislation Obama hadpersonally lobbied for on Capitol Hill earlier that day.

    “We have an opportunity to slow down,” Pelosi said. “Whatever the deal is with other countries, we want a better deal for America’s workers.”

    Clinton encouraged lawmakers to work together to "make sure we get the best, strongest deal possible."

    "And if we don’t get it, there should be no deal," she added.

    Clinton said she wants to "find out what's in it and make it as good as it can be," and pushed for more transparency "so the American people can actually see what will be in a finalized deal."

    House Democrats rejected Obama's trade agenda Friday by blocking a measure that would have granted him the power to fast-track sweeping, secretive international agreements through Congress.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/14/hillary-clinton-trade-deal_n_7580768.html

  9. James Inhofe Lectures Pope Francis: Leave Climate Change To Us

     

    Republican Senator James Inhofe says that global warming is the “greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” and now he wants Pope Francis to leave it to the politicians. The pope has taken up climate change as a moral issue and intends to use his influence at the Paris climate summit later this year. That is, unless he listens to Inhofe.

     

    Speaking at the conservative Heartland Institute, the Oklahoma Senator had a simple message — the pope should mind his own business. According to the Guardian, Inhofe seemed a bit defensive about the Holy Father’s position on climate change.

    “Everyone is going to ride the pope now. Isn’t that wonderful. The pope ought to stay with his job, and we’ll stay with ours.”

    He added a moment later, “I am not going to talk about the pope. Let him run his shop, and we’ll run ours.”

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2169973/james-inhofe-lectures-pope-francis-leave-climate-change-to-us/#tcBYUISFf3Rjp6PH.99

     

    What can one say?

      1. Maybe some of the bishops can organize an insurrection with Vlad, the Bad and depose our hero….Chuck and Dave would fund the deal, I betcha….A sort of “coup de pontiff”, if you will…. 

    2. That a scientist who also happens to be Pope is a lot better qualified than a pol who knows nothing about science? That it's perfectly legit for the Pope to voice views on nurturing and protecting what he believes to be God's creation? They sure love it when Popes voice views on when life begins.

  10. Michael, so many "Get more stupider" variations for strain names are possible, but they all would probably involve extensive litigation. "Lost Yer Marble", for that vacant stare. LimboBrain for "How Low Can You Go?"

    Cory's OTC Cannabis Confections, that beg the question: "Did I say that, or just think it? Either way, it never happened!"

    "Brophy's Trophy". I'll leave that one to your imagination.

    Yup. I don't even smoke the stuff, and I'm having fun already. This should be a thread. Or a strain. Or something.

  11. Pols, the spam in the "Recent Posts" is out of control. So many car parts and car nonsense crap posts, no one can see the real recent posts.

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