WEDNESDAY AM UPDATE: Your final Super Tuesday tally: Donald Trump wins Georgia, Vermont, Virginia, Alabama, Massachusetts, Tennessee, and Arkansas. Ted Cruz wins Oklahoma, Texas, and Alaska. Marco Rubio ekes out only one small victory at the Minnesota caucuses.
On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders wins Oklahoma, Minnesota, Colorado, and Vermont. Hillary Clinton wins everywhere else.
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UPDATE 9:11PM: Florida Sen. Marco Rubio is getting absolutely hammered tonight. The end may be near. From Politico:
Donald Trump pummeled Sen. Marco Rubio on Super Tuesday, leaving the Florida Republican with a nearly impossible path to the GOP nomination.
Rubio was poised to win not a single state on the biggest night yet of the 2016 contest — keeping his overall win tally at zero — and it’s still unclear whether he will climb over the 20 percent threshold in several of the primaries to secure enough delegates to make a credible case for staying in the race.
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UPDATE 9:05PM:
BREAKING: ABC News projects Bernie Sanders will win Colorado Democratic caucus https://t.co/taNsOfvDOk pic.twitter.com/Wpa6MoKXxl
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) March 2, 2016
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UPDATE 8:45PM: Early Colorado Democratic caucus returns (11% in) show Bernie Sanders leading Hillary Clinton in the neighborhood of ten points. Many Democratic caucus sites reporting heavy turnout, we’ll be interested in seeing comparisons to previous cycles.
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UPDATE 6:10PM: CNN projects Donald Trump wins in Tennessee, Alabama, and Massachusetts. Hillary Clinton also wins Tennessee and Virginia, along with Georgia and Alabama.
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Watch this space. For information on caucus locations, etc., click here.
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Got my packets…got my literature…got my caucus location..ready to rumble. And yes, I have participated in past caucuses and have been a PCP. If both Democrats in my precinct show up, I have a 50-50 chance to be one again.
go democracy!
Don't you get two PCPs per precinct? We do in HD38.
It's 7 pm on the east coast. Cry havoc and slip loose the dogs of war!
According to NY Times, they've called Virginia for HRC.
And Georgia.
Vermont for Sanders.
Kasich is in striking distance of taking Trump out in Vermont (he's only trailing by 500 votes) and he probably kept Rubio from taking Virginia. Rubio takes Minnesota (our little man finally has a win), Florida Gov. Rick Scott is endorsing Trump and it doesn't look like he'll make the threshold in Texas for delegates. Could Rance Priebus' sphincter muscle get any tighter? Big night for The Drumpf and his beta-male, Donuts.
It looks like Little Rubio might just pull off his first win in Minnesota. This will vindicate Moderatus' prophesy posted on a different thread earlier today that today is the start of Rubio's long road to the nomination. Yeah, right…..
The news about Kasich giving Trump a run for his $$$ in Vermont is a hoot. Did anyone see that coming?
I will reserve comment on the state of Reince Prius' sphincter……
Moddy is friggin' Nostradamus. I think the (saner) Cuban's pathway to the nomination looks a little more like this…
"… we'll call it a draw."
I mean this sincerely when I say that I hope you Dems enjoy your caucus tonight. After some thought; and because I'm in a really busy time schedule wise; I decided to blow off my Repub caucus tonight.
Without the chance to state a preference in the presidential race (thank you so much Steve House and company), going just to vote against Personhood Pete (alias Tim Neville) doesn't seem like a good use of my time. And no chance to be a delegate since I am out of the country on April 9, the date for the Repub state convention. C.H.B.
If you don't show, you can't play
CHB, you're going to miss your chance to win Timmy's door prize gun?
I already own a classic M 1 Garand like my father in law carried as a combat engineer in Normandy. It may not be as good at shooting school kids as Neville's assault rifle wanna be. But it sure stopped the Wehrmacht when America was fighting for the survival of civilisation itself.
You got Housed Banger. Colorado could have been a Rubio lifeline and could have changed the narrative from last night but your party leaders figuratively put the gun to their heads and pulled the trigger. Very very stupid politics.
My caucus in Ft Collins went Bernie over Hillary by 88 to 44. And attendance was at least twice what they expected.
You can't project from one to everywhere, but based on the ratio and turnout, I think Bernie takes Colorado.
My caucus in Morgan County went for Bernie over Hillary 35 to 26. The venue hosted 12 Democrats last time they had a caucus – tonight there were 61. I was the secretary and elected a PCP for my precinct. I met some lovely people and had a blast.
See? No HRC storm troopers strong arming, right?
My precinct and all the precincts at our site had great turn out. Not the historic level we saw in 2008 but that was a really special case with passions running really high. We had around 90 that year, 62 this time, still huge compared to any caucus prior to 2008. About 18 used to be the norm.
Funny story. Remember when everyone in the media was going nuts about some decisions on delegates being made by coin toss in Iowa? Seems even most media types failed to grasp that caucus isn't exactly an election. Ours has no secret ballot. In fact to make it easier to get a count in such a crowd we did a division with Bernie supporters standing together and HRC supporters standing together, undecideds sitting, so quite public. Anyway we had 30 for Bernie, 31 for HRC and one undecided who just couldn't chose. Problem is we were entitled to 3 delegates to send to County and the formula for designating them doesn't work so close to 50/50. So we, yep, tossed a coin for the third delegate. It went to HRC. Everybody agreed that seemed fair and HRC did, after all, have the one vote advantage.
A good time was had by all. Didn't take an interminable amount of time as it sometimes has in the past. Guess after 2008 it seemed like a snap.There wasn't a trace of bitterness. In fact at least half the HRC supporters liked Bernie a lot too and most of the Bernie supporters said they knew HRC would probably win the nomination in the end. Everybody agreed they could support either against Trump or any other R who could possibly win.
The Bernie supporters get to enjoy his win tonight. Colorado has been called for him and he's winning pretty handily. But we all can see the writing on the wall. None of the concerns about knock down drag outs between the two sides came true. Everybody did their best to be as accurate and fair as we possibly could be. It was great to see us hanging on to so much of the increase in numbers we got with Obama and especially to see some younger people showing up again. While the passion for our choices wasn't as intense as in 2008 the passion to beat the Rs was strong enough to make up for it. Nothing but unity there. I don't think an enthusiasm gap is going to be much of a problem in November.
No storm troopers, but a lot of miscommunication between the State Dem organization and our little rural caucus. When it came time to add up votes, we had already divvied up delegates proportionally, per precinct, as we're supposed to.
Trouble was, this wasn't what the state party wanted to know, come "call in the results" time. They didn't want to know delegate totals, they wanted to know total attendees and how that broke down Hillary vs. Sanders.
And my local Dem folks didn't have the right form for that, so we ended up scratching it out on the back of a paper. I don't think it was partisan skullduggery, just incompetence and miscommunication.
I reported back to the Bernie state campaign, and they were quite disappointed that I didn't have delegate totals for any precinct besides my own.
I thought it was weird that there was no consensus on how to count victory between the state and local people, between the campaigns and the caucuses.
For demographics, I also saw more young people on the Bernie side – but also some elders who were feeling the Bern on getting rid of the social security cap, and veterans on staying out of stupid, useless wars. The more well-heeled, prosperous looking folks seemed to be more Hillarious.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying but the elected delegates are the elected delegates and even though we did sign in with our preference preferences aren't set in stone. People who check in as undecideds mostly choose and some people change their minds.So you determine the number of delegates for each candidate from the precinct results, not the info on the sign in sheets though they want that info too. I'm sure you'll be able to find out how many delegates went where tomorrow.
As far as state, local and campaign coordination in counting victory, I don't know what you mean there either. There's only way. You vote for your candidate in your precincts and the delegates are allocated according to a formula every precinct is provided with. That's it. Campaigns have nothing to do with anything as far as offical counts go except that they'd like to know what those counts are and may ask their volunteers who are participants to report back to them. The party certainly isn't obligated to coordinate with the campaigns at all and they can find out who won the same way everybody else does.
Sounds like the confusion wasn't between state and local. It's organized in the counties at HD level. Sounds more like some people just weren't clear on some of the instructions.
Probably. I know how the delegate math works, since I calculated it myself for my own precinct. What I'm saying is that the caucus site report to HQ didn't ask about delegates, only caucus totals – total attendees, numbers for each candidate or uncommitted.
Within my limited knowledge,it seems to me that this is the sort of thing that could be manipulated to give a preferred candidate an edge, had the margin between the candidates not been as wide as it was.
But this is also why the campaigns (probably both of them) also wanted names and numbers of pledged delegates.
And in fact, that did happen….Per the Denver Post's reporting this morning, Sanders got approximately 60% of the popular vote of caucus attendees, but will receive 33 delegates to Hillary's 34.
OK, you can all jump on now and tell me that I'm a bitter, paranoid Bernie Bitch who just doesn't understand complex delegate math with her small lady brain.
Or, you could just admit that Colorado's system of awarding delegates is an undemocratic clusterf*ck. We need to go to a simple primary system.
That may have been a typo on the Post's part, or getting bad info from AP's delegate tracker. AP had Clinton 34 to 33 delegates in Colorado (screen shot below) but the Post has now changed to 24 to 33, which is better. The Post still features Clinton's 24 in the "winner" highlighted color, so they don't have it quite figured out yet.
Nothing to see here, keep moving along.
Not sure exactly what it is you're misunderstanding but you're definitely misunderstanding something here. It may be the fact that the precinct delegates in our system are sent to the next level…. County… to choose delegates for the next level…. State and State sends delegates to the National convention so everything is provisional along the way.
In any case… don’t worry. Bernie won Colorado. There is nothing nefarious going on. Remember there are other metrics involved in our crazy system not to mention super delegates. And I won’t worry either because HRC will win nationally and be our candidate.
Demographics sort of but not completely followed the stereotypes you might expect; The Hillary side of the room did appear to be well represented by older, more established "appearing" people. But the youth on the Bernie side didn't really include that many students, more like young couples.
That was my precinct. Other precincts showed a good number of students.
We had older people on both sides. Most of the youngest were for Bernie but a few, including young Latinas, were for HRC. 40ish through 60ish seemed pretty evenly split. Over 65, with many a good deal older than that tilted toward HRC. Our one African American, an older woman, supported HRC. We had a nice showing of students which I didn't really expect this time.
Saw a hilarious picture from Golden HS. The school is horshoe shaped and tonight it was Democrats on the left, Republicans on the right. The picture showed hundreds lined up on the left and a handful mulling around the door on the right. House got what they wanted, total apathy.
Precinct 19 in Jeffco split 22 for Bernie, 21 for HRC. Four delegates: 2 for him, 2 for her.
Had a very good but civilized and respectful debate between the two sides of the room.
And yes, there was something of a generational divide in our precinct too.
Vox says: Bernie Sanders has won Colorado's Democratic caucuses, according to NBC's projections.
But not by enough: Nate Silver and the team at FiveThirtyEight … use the demographics of each state to predict how much that state would "lean" toward Clinton or Sanders if the race were evenly tied nationally.
According to that model, if Sanders were tied with Clinton nationally, he'd be beating her by 11 points in Colorado. In other words, his win in Colorado isn't going to help him catch up to Clinton — it's just keeping him on pace.
Gilpin County matched their turnout count exactly with 2008. Many, many first time attendees and the excitement in the crowd was absolutely a blast to be part of. Sanders won about 70% of the straw poll. Great night to be a Democrat in Gilpin County.
Agreed. 248 split between our 6 precincts, matching the 2008 turnout – but we were much better prepared overall to handle the crowd this time. Pre-caucus food supplies decimated, though. No post-caucus duties for me (by choice – new blood is good!), unless I can't convince one of the "maybe"s to become a PCP, in which case I guess I remain drafted…
Well, tonight played out as expected. Sanders won the caucus states + Vermont, Clinton won the primary states.
This race is going to be decided on March 15. NC, OH, FL, IL and MO. All big states, three of which are Democratic targets and swing states. Will be a good indication of who will end up with it all.
Delighted to no end that Herr Trumpenfurher can now be called Presumptive Republican Nominee Herr Trumpenfurher.
HE'S BACK! Zombie Republican Presidential Candidate Jim Gilmore wins 47% of the vote in Chelsea, Massachusetts, beating front-runner Donald Trump by 29 points!
Lake County usually has 65-75 total in 6 precincts. Over 200 tonight. My precinct went 38(Bernie)-6(Hillary). The big turnout got overwhelming delegate support for progressive Commissioner candidates. Had to leave the Elks club and open the high school so did not get started until almost 8.
Dramatic, dynamic and fun
Colorado is such an embarrassment.
O.o And why would that be? Aside from the Gordon Klingenschmitts, the Doug Lamborns, the Tom Nevilles, the Jon Keysers, the Mike and the Cynthia Coffmans, the Ken Bucks, the Cory Gardners, etc. etc. etc.?
Yeah, but you get used to it — even to the point that you'll really not care that someone thinks you're supposed to be embarrassed …
I take it the Republicans have managed it such that not even word of which Senate candidates might be doing well escapes their caucuses?
I have never seen a turnout like this. We circled the block at Morey middle school twice! Our caucus got two delegates for hillary three for bernie whole thing pretty cordial. In DA race Beth McCann got to delegates to one for Carrigan With 2 uncommited . McCann edge was from a 16_15 vote so my 4 vote family block came through. Bernistas caucused uncommitted on Da, apparently as a county wide strategy and will meet with the candidates before assemblgy. I think beth will do well with them because while Carrigan is certainly a fine man his is the classic good old boy network campaign and many bernistas in ouf caucus seemed sympathetic to beths youth justice record and her opposition to the deatg penalty. I won a seat at the assembly so can continue working for beth at that level as well as boosting Lois Court for state Senate. On the whole a very good night with Hillary getting at least goood slice of Colorado and justrunning wild in the south and even wi ning Massachusetts.. My wife and daughter almost giddy about finally having the chance to vote for a woman president. As for me, just happy to get back and knock down a couple Angry Orchard ciders. Pax vobiscum .
And I was just happy to be there at Morey to caucus for the presidential candidate that won Colorado. I can't ask for more than that.