UPDATE: Lots of statements as the Trump administration appears to be badly losing the battle for hearts and minds. Sen. Michael Bennet set the mood soon after the announcement, with a statement we think speaks for the Democratic delegation:
“The President’s executive order on refugees will harm, not enhance, our national security and marks a significant departure from our nation’s proud history of welcoming people in need of protection,” Bennet said. “To halt completely or to shape our refugee program by religious or ethnic preferences betrays the values that have made our country strong.
“Refugees are fleeing the same violence and extremism that threatens our nation’s security and are more thoroughly vetted than any other group of people entering the United States. In addition, targeting certain religions and groups will undermine our counterterrorism efforts by stoking anti-West sentiment among ISIS followers and other extremists.
“Instead, we should focus on addressing the security gaps in the Visa Waiver Program. We should implement a stronger strategy for countering ISIS propaganda in order to degrade its ability to radicalize and recruit. Finally, we should pass the 2013 immigration reform bill, which included measures to secure our borders and enhance interior enforcement. Addressing these vulnerabilities and investing in smart security solutions will help make us safer and remain true to our values.”
And finally late today Sen. Cory Gardner is following Bennet’s lead in criticizing the order, albeit still very gently, which for us is nonetheless a significant sign that Donald Trump’s support is evaporating:
We expect the next few days to be highly eventful. Stay tuned.
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#NoBanNoWall. Protest @ DIA #copolitics pic.twitter.com/RmvhE3clDN
— Chase Woodruff (@dcwoodruff) January 29, 2017
Hundreds of protesters gathered at Denver International Airport Saturday in the wake of President Donald Trump’s orders to temporarily ban refugees from entering the U.S.
“I am here to stand in solidarity with the immigrants and green card holder, students, professional and people who came to the United States for legitimate reasons,” said Samantha Reynolds. “Suddenly, they’re being denied access to the place they call home, with no due process, as far as I’m concerned.”
“There are four (kinds of) people in the world,” said Shauna Johnson. “There are bullies. There are the bullied. There are the silent and there are the defenders.”
“These people,” she said pointing toward the crowd, “are the defenders.”
State Reps. Joseph Salazar and Leslie Herod were on hand for the protest at DIA last night, with Salazar talking to authorities at several points to ensure things didn’t get out of hand:
After about three hours the protest at DIA ended, declaring a measure of victory after a federal judge partially halted President Donald Trump’s executive order banning travel for the next 90 days from seven Muslim-majority nations. Travelers with valid visas who were detained in the U.S. will not be removed from the country, and travelers on route to the U.S. will be allowed to complete their journeys.
The ruling doesn’t address the larger question of affected legal U.S. residents who were caught traveling abroad at the time of the order but were not “in transit,” or the overall constitutionality of Trump’s order–though it does say that in the judge’s opinion the government is not likely to prevail. Going forward, there is a serious risk to people from Iraq and Syria in particular who have earned a trip to the U.S. for collaborating with American forces. At the very least, this situation creates a major disincentive to cooperate with America going forward for residents of these nations.
Even Republican state Sen. Larry Crowder gets it, making a stronger statement against Trump’s order than many fellow Republicans up the food chain:
Whoa!! Denying a green card holder reentry into America without regard to due process is cause concern. legal immigrants with legal rights
— Larry Crowder (@SenatorCrowder) January 29, 2017
Compare that to Sen. Cory Gardner’s non-response this weekend via CBS4:
Gardner also says Congress will be methodical on immigration reform. He also says that Executive Action is not the way to do it.
“People shouldn’t be afraid, I don’t think, in this country. We should be proud. We should take pride in the differences of opinion in this country. But never use that or let fear interfere with making this country stronger or fighting for your viewpoints,” said Gardner.
Rep. Mike Coffman manages to state his principles a little more clearly:
“While I’ve supported heightened vetting procedures for those wanting to travel to our country, I have never, nor will I ever support a blanket travel ban for people solely based on ethnic or religious grounds.”
The only trouble is, as Denverite’s Erica Meltzer astutely observes, is nobody knows if Coffman is referring to Trump’s actual order, because:
Speaker of the House Paul Ryan supported this order, despite opposing a Muslim ban before the election, because it’s just a ban on people from certain countries. Who happen to be Muslim.
“This is not a religious test and it is not a ban on people of any religion,” Ryan spokeswoman AshLee Strong told the Washington Post.
That kind of parsing leaves Coffman’s statement open to interpretation. [Pols emphasis]
Which, we suspect based on experience, is just the way Coffman likes it.
The ban on travel to the United States from numerous Muslim-majority nations is a fulfillment of a campaign promise from Trump, much like the headlong drive to repeal Obamacare, the halt to the U.S. refugee program for 120 days, and other orders issued by Trump in his first week in office. Each of these kept promises by Trump are a fresh disaster for Democrats and the majority of American voters who opposed him, growing the sense of outrage that has fueled protests from last week’s record-setting Women’s Marches to last night’s spontaneous protest at DIA.
We can’t tell you where this all ends, but it shows no signs of stopping.
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Forget "the gang that couldn't shoot straight." Donnie's evil little cabal doesn't even have ammo, much less understand from which end of the thing the GD bullet's supposed to exit.
This whole anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim clusterfuck — once again, 100% the GOP’s own unforced error — is gonna end up biting them in the ass, HARD. Not to mention the vastly enhanced recruiting successes ISIS and al-Qaeda will be enjoying now thanks to the cruel and stupid actions of Deer Leedur and his hateful, racist, divisive minions in D.C and across the nation.
Ignorant, tone-deaf, supremely arrogant and utterly clueless — that's Pee Wee's administration, and the deplorables in congress still supporting him/them. The sooner they're tarred, feathered and driven out of D.C. on a rail, the better off the U.S. and the world will be.
(Oh, and preemptively: FU and the horse you rode in on, Comrades Impotent Peach, ACHole and Muddyratass. Quit your lying, projecting and shameful shilling for the Dark Side.)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-immigration-ban-still-place-despite-court-ruling-says-dhs-n713696?cid=public-rss_20170129
So he thinks. The ACLU, et. al. will be back in court tomorrow morning.
From the Votemaster today:
"Trump has asserted that a 1952 law gives him the authority to 'suspend the entry of any class of aliens' that the president finds detrimental to the interest of the United States. However, in 1965, Congress passed a law taking this power away from the president, plainly stating that no person could be 'discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.' In a New York Times op-ed Friday, David Bier of the Cato Institute, an expert on immigration law, said that Trump's ban is clearly in violation of the 1965 law."
Whoopsie! Deer Leedur stumbles, crashes and burns yet again! And this was only Week One. Our long national nightmare is just begun.
The Votemaster continues:
“In addition, green-card holders clearly have a legal right to live in the United States. That’s what a green card means: permission to live in the United States. Needless to say, Trump’s executive order is going to reach the Supreme Court sooner or later, probably sooner. While it is obviously speculative at this point, there is a real possibility that the Supreme Court will declare the ban illegal and a real possibility that Trump will defy the Court and say he has no intention of backing down. That’s where it gets dicey. Would the House impeach him? Would the Senate convict? If the answer to either of those is no, is the rule of law dead? Stay tuned.”
So, might immigration prove to be the fulcrum of Pee Wee’s inevitable impeachment? Or will he risk ‘The Wrath of The Deplorables’ and back down?
And just how many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop, or a deeply corrupt, pro-KGB/pro-Soviet, anti-American adminstration?
H.O.L.Y. C.R.A.P.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2017/Pres/Maps/Jan29.html#item-2
donald trump: ignorant, inane, inarticulate, ill-tempered, ill-mannered, incurious, illegitimate.
COMPLETELY UNFIT TO SERVE.
Man it's working great.
Haven't had this much discussion about keeping 'Merica's borders safe in a long time.
Frankly, I wish they added Pakistan to Obama's list of 7 countries.
It looks like everyone is on board with Trump's ideas too.
We truly enjoy the continuing false bravado and brave whistling past the graveyard while Pee Wee continues to burn down the Play House, ACHole. Great act. Do keep it up.
Stiff upper lip and all that rot, eh? Never let 'em see you sweat, right? ah-hahahahahahahahaha!
Our Junior Senator, for example never sweats or looks frazzled. He didn't in that interview last night.
They're highly skilled at deception, deflection, projection, and all-around general bamboozle-ment. It's what they do; their very stock in trade. They would never have been elected, or managed to have remained so long on the government dole, without such “skills.”
As George Constanza so famously said, when asked about beating a lie detector: "Remember, it's not really a lie…if you believe it…"
"I was a stranger, and you welcomed me." Matthew 25:35
DJT and AC would've been first in line to crucify Jesus. Senate Dems would vote to confirm. http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1626835
Zapp:
That was funny.
Rocky Mountain Immigration Advocacy Network Attorneys were on hand at DIA yesterday to intercede for arriving immigrants. Similar groups were at international airports all over the country.
As Ashley Dean of the Denverite reported,, RMIAN attorneys and volunteers will continue to monitor arrivals at DIA and help as needed. A mother traveling with an infant from Iraq was able to make it through to Denver with RMIAN's advocacy.
For current RMIAN news, see RMIAN's twitter account.
RMIAN is an organization which deserves your financial help and volunteer hours – according to Westword, it is one of the top ten nonprofits in Colorado that will need support during the Trump Presidency.
I set up a recurring $10 donation today.
The number of immigrants in detention in Colorado has nearly doubled since Trump's assuming office.
From David Slack (@slack2thefuture):
Remember sitting in History, thinking “If I was alive then, I would’ve…”
You’re alive now. Whatever you’re doing is what you would have done."
Senator Gardner "silent" on Muslim ban.
All Senators were polled, and their responses entered in this spreadsheet.
“I swore never to be silent whenever and wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” — Elie Wiesel
It shouldn't be necessary, but it's a small bright spot: http://fox6now.com/2017/01/29/airbnb-offers-free-housing-to-people-barred-from-flights-to-u-s/
I recall something about the Obama administration halting Iraqi refugees a few years back?….glad to see at least this is not a partisan issue….
If I recall correctly Napolitano also "re-vetted" Iraqi's already in country. Am I wrong?
Not seeing the difference….
Negev, untwist yourself from your logic pretzel and read the news. Real green card holders, vetted for a long time, were detained at airports yesterday. Little kids and old ladies were detained. Based on what? Info obtained by vetting? Actual intelligence?
No. Prejudice based on country of origin and religion, 7 countries, none of which have sent terrorists to the United States. Then you have white supremacist and Leninist authoritarian Steve Bannon calling the shots on national Security meetings, while actual intelligence experts like Joint Chiefs of Staff are kept out. This sudden, unconstitutional, inconsistent, chaotic Muslim ban is Steve Bannon's work.
This is OK with you? It seems normal?
Nothing wrong with vetting. Even thorough vetting. Look into terrorist ties, all of that. Most actual refugees fucking hate ISIS in all its forms. Those are the people who murdered their relatives in front of them, who expelled them from their villages, who raped and robbed them. Real vetting, careful interviews, will expose all of that, all of those heartrending stories.
But don't make people who have already been vetted, who are legal refugees with green cards and visas, who are traveling lawfully, turn around and go back to countries of origin. Don't turn around airplanes. Don't separate kids from parents, helpful interpreters from their jobs, technical experts from needed work.
Visas were delayed but, unlike in this case, people holding visas were not denied entry into the country, detained despite lawful permission to enter, or deported. Obama's action regarding visas from Iraq was also based on a specific incident in which two Iraqi refugees who'd made it stateside were later accused of being bombers in Iraq.
Once again, Negev, trembling with anticipation, takes aim, and…
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-refugee-policy-fact-check-2011-20170129-story.html
…misses comically.
That 100-round magazine is starting to make sense, now.
Once again, Curmie, stumbling with inebriation, misses the point….
I do find it noble that you support law abiding immigrants constitutional rights, and you realize that not every Muslim is a terrorist, and that banning a certain sect does not and will not improve the safety of our nation. Your wisdom exceeds your shooting abilities, which you have already paraded as mediocre, at best. You appear to recognize that liberty supersedes security and while one president did not do enough, the other has done too much. Pretty much the exact opposite of your opinion on firearms.
Hypocrisy is the greatest luxury.
Can’t wait for your position on abortion. I’ll send you my notes on gun control.
You're still too dumb to know when you're truly outgunned. You know nothing about my views on gun control, except that I find your pants-wetting fear of anyone taking away your guns to be comical.
You keep thinking that banning Muslims is equivalent to banning guns. People are different than guns, no matter how much you like to pretend yours is a part of your body.
Anything I cite, I'd have to squeeze in between your postings of things that clearly do not prove your point.
Got back to stroking your barrel while you watch Red Dawn (the remake) for the 300th time.
There is nothing about you that I can take seriously.
Negev,
Please read this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011
Long story short: Obama admin instituted some more stringent vetting, which led to delays, but there was never a ban and, in fact, the refugee program continued throughout the process.
Thank you ajb, I read the article: I cut/pasted and put in quotes but full disclosure just put the bullet points:
Now, just to be clear, I am opposed to halts, delays or bans of refugees by both presidents and do not condone or support either. I am, as you may well know, not a fan of restricting, limiting, or banning, anything.
However, I am not convinced that semantics detract from the similarities of the actions. The fact that Obama responded to an actual threat does not make a preemptive action dissimilar in intent to provide security to the nation.
Yes, Obama's actions were not announced as a ban, however Trumps temporary ban of 90-120 days produces the same results, and while the Obama administration "danced around that question", Trump appears to call it what it is.
Finally, the most stark difference in my opinion, detaining green card holders, has been lifted within a day and becomes a moot point.
Again, I say let them in. These are people who have rights as humans, as refugees, and as members of our inclusive American society. But to say that the two presidents have performed fundamentally different tasks on the matter does not appear reasonable to me.
Well, the real green card holders detained yesterday were allowed in today. Obamas halt was based on country of origin with default religion, which had not sent terrorists to the U.S.
So, (pretzel) logic and simple facts indicate the actions of a white supremacist republican and a black globalist democrat are surprisingly similar, with Bannon(douch) and Napolitano’s views nearly congruent, with the most noted difference being the chaos and protests.
Whether I am ok with or not is irrelevant, but yes, it does appear normal.
We all are aware and agree all constitutional rights are subject to reasonable restriction, it’s just a matter of opinion on the definition of “reasonable”. So if this action is in fact considered unconstitutional, I am against it.
Chaos and protests, as I understand it, resulted from the revocation of valid entry visas.
The religion test was endorsed by the notion that Christians from the excluded countries were not affected.
However, the executive order does not cover countries where Trump has business interests. I'll let you draw your own conclusions about that one.
I was there with my kids yesterday. We got video of a poor guy from Cyprus whose wife is being barred from the country under the orders.
https://www.facebook.com/ElliotFladen/videos/10102855554392903/
Good on you, Elliot. My brother in law went to Sacramento airport; some of my old friends joined you at DIA. And poor Cory Gardner is still flailing around trying to find the Democratic establishment "leader" of this grassroots, spontaneous, outpouring of protests.
Meanwhile, our unhinged President is proposing that all of y'all are paid by Soros. You get your check yet?
, Elliot!
Right on, Elliot.
Here's one for AC: Trump Approval Index underwater at -1, down 13 clicks in 5 days.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
President Trump is doing something Obama could never do: make Americans feel safer. We've needed this kind of leadership for many years.
Damn Straight!!! Who cares if he ignored the countries where people who have attacked America originated from because his business interests are. And all Real Americans should be more than willing to sacrifice their liberties for security. Including security that is due to race or religion. All those MANY protesters will one day wake up and thank the Gods for Trump who kept them safe.
If Trump's actions make you feel safer, you must have even smaller hands.
Are you also afraid of getting dressed in the morning?
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/13/12901950/terrorism-immigrants-clothes
Breaking: Justice department lawyers instructed not to defend Trump migration order
Tomorrow will be her last day. A new attorney will bring forward the case.