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July 02, 2009 03:40 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”

–Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    1. … and heard it was for a foreign market.

      Although… the price listed does seem to be in American dollars. What other countries use dollars? Canada and Australia… anyone else?

  4. But this is ridiculous.

    For $25,000 to $250,000, The Washington Post has offered lobbyists and association executives off-the-record, non-confrontational access to “those powerful few” – Obama administration officials, members of Congress, and – at first – even the paper’s own reporters and editors.

    The astonishing offer was detailed in a flier circulated Wednesday to a health care lobbyist, who provided it to a reporter because the lobbyist said he felt it was a conflict for the paper to charge for access to, as the flier says, its “health care reporting and editorial staff.”

    With the newsroom in an uproar after POLITICO reported the solicitation, Executive Editor Marcus W. Brauchli said in a staff-wide e-mail that the newsroom would not participate in the first of the planned events – a dinner scheduled July 21 at the home of Publisher and Chief Executive Officer Katharine Weymouth.

    H/t Redstate

      2. that’s really the point I was making.

        If you’ve been offered cash-for-access deals by news organizations, that would interesting.  

  5. http://www.scottmcinnisforgove…

    Not ready to call a Bob Schafer moment, but where is the photo from behind the tag line “What do you want for the future of Colorado?”  

    Looks like North Maroon Bell photo shopped on top of the Collegiate Range.  And where in Colorado is a mountain of such stature with a wooded mountain valley.  

    I have had one person speculate this is Montana or Idaho.  

    The mountain shadows are not consistent.  Makes me think photo shop is in play.  

          1. First, the Holy Cross is more vertical, less slanted to the right.  Second, the arms of the Holy Cross tilt up on both sides, whereas this mountain has one “cross” arm up and one down.

            I think gertie is right – it’s somewhere in the San Juans.  I was oggling through pictures and found a few San Juan peaks that had the horizontal banding that makes you think “Maroon Bells”.  See, for example, Gilpin or Vermillion Peaks.

            1. A lady in our office pointed out, that if that picture were really in Colorado and was not photo shopped, wouldn’t we all know it right away.  

              Like Mt Sopris, Lake San Crystabal, Mt Sneffels, Mt Massive, Longs Peak, Pikes Peak, ..

              A vista that beautiful, across a valley that wide should be instantly recognizable.    

              1. Holy Cross is the highest peak in its vacinity.  I do not believe there are taller mtns close to it and not from a lower angle.  Also you have to hike to Holy Cross or view it from the top of Vail Ski area.  There are no large valleys there except Minturn, and that is not Minturn.  

                1. I can find a half-dozen other peaks with “crosses” on them – the Mt. of the Holy Cross is only significant for the isolation of its display.  There’s a cross, for example, visible from the top of Mt. Sneffels.

                  (You can view the Mt. of the Holy Cross from Shrine Pass as well, BTW, and while the view has forested valleys, the perspective is totally wrong.)

                  I don’t know where this is.  But given my admittedly mid-level PhotoShop skills, I think it unlikely that this is a PhotoShop job.  I’d like to know – it’s a pretty site.

            3. but not sure.  The angle is strange, are we looking across the valley from the SE?

              Looked on 14ers.com (the best website for 14ers!!) for some comparisons, but, again, the angle is weird.  

              http://www.14ers.com/photos/pe…

              If it is Maroon Bells, yes, it is the most photographed mountain in Colorado, but it is in Pitkin County, firmly Democratic country for our state.

              Odd choice, I would have chosen something in the Sangres, maybe Crestone, Kit Carson with the Sand Dunes in front….

              1. The valley at Maroon Bells is decidedly mixed composition, with visible lakes and not much civilization – not even fire breaks.  Additionally, there’s only the small glacial valley at the Bells – no larger valley below that would match the image.

                The valley in the picture has a U-shaped glacial valley pouring into a wider valley, and the lower valley is both evergreen and lightly populated (small town?).

                I could swear I’ve seen that peak before, either in an image or in person.

                1. and you’re right the valley doesn’t match with where the mountains are situated.  The approach to the Bells, with the lakes and all would be behind the ridge, past the big U in the ridgeline.

                  I dunno…

    2. It’s a pretty good detailed transition from the valley floor to the mountains, and the same goes for the transition across the glacial valley heading up to “North Maroon Bell”, or what looks like NMB…  The sun is shining through haze from the left side, and shadows are consistent IMHO.  My guess is, it’s not Photoshop.

      I don’t know of too many wooded valleys like that in the state, complete with a small town.  My guess is it’s got to be somewhere near the Maroon Bells; that rock formation, which creates the characteristic horizontal banding, isn’t very prevalent except in that area.

      I’d like to know, but looking at the rest of the site the campaign has been very good at using Colorado images.  I’d ask for answers but give him the benefit of the doubt for now…

        1. The valleys of the San Juan are desert country.  Very few trees.

          Maroon Bells are in the heart of the WHite River National Forest with Snowmass and Apen on both sides.  Bells are not close to a large valley.  

          1. There are many wooded valleys in the San Juans.  See, for example, Ouray.  What there aren’t so many of – in much of Colorado – are U-shaped glacial valleys of this magnitude.

            As to the Bells not being close to a “large” valley, the image is not of North Maroon Peak, but it is reminiscent of that peak.  There are other peaks in that area that have similar characteristics, and the Bells are by no means surrounded by Aspen and Snowmass; there’s a popular multi-day loop hike that covers the regions behind the Bells and surrounding areas.  There are large valleys along the hike…

            1. and the valley in the pic wouldn’t be the valley approaching the Bells.

              It’s not the Holy Cross, the mountain is facing the wrong way for the range it is in and there isn’t a town in that valley except the old ghost town.

            2. If this is the San Juans, than the photo would have to be from Ridgway, Dove Creek, Dolores, Bayfield, Gunnison or some low area like that.  The conifer forest on the bottom of the photo does not fit the desert country.  These areas are pinion juniper.

              Could it be in the Fort Collins area or the Wet Mountains near West Cliff?

                1. http://www.bing.com/images/sea…

                  Look to the far left of the photo.  Maroon Bell looking moutain with a large mountain behind.  The notch on the right side of the bell shape is a dead ringer.  The glacier valley leads right into Lake Louise.

                  Classic.  Schaferish but wrong country.  

                    2. Limits on growth, a la Boulder, for the whole damn state. A very conservative approach to growth.

                    3. .

                      that McInnis has someone following you around on your travels through cyberspace.  How else did he know to take it down ?

                      .

                    4. I briefly tried a Google image search with some obvious keywords, but gave up.  

                    1. Never meant to be rude earlier, I just travel around the state and think I have seen most viewsheds.  I just knew it was not Colorado.

                      Schaffer must be laughing.  “Critize me at the end of my campaign will you”.  

                    9. I travel a lot and am a semi-pro nature photographer.  I haven’t done a lot of mountain climbing, but I see a lot of pictures from others to add to my knowledge.  There are a lot of back-country sites, and some of them present very strange views of otherwise familiar mountains, so I didn’t know – it certainly wasn’t somewhere I’d seen myself.

                      I felt on firmer ground about the digital editing…  Don’t know how you found a match, but good work.

                      Schaffer is most definitely laughing, but McInnis can at least say that no-one had time to make a high-profile ad ridiculing his choice of backdrop…

            3. Maybe someone who is not ashamed to be from Colorado?  Is he doing this favor for his EnCana backers?  Maybe McInnis likes the Canadian healthcare system? Guess that settles it.  Time to rename McInnis Canyon. Suggestions?  

    3. is why ColoradoPols is the top political blog in the state!  Good job, folks.  Now will someone please explain why it is so difficult for certain candidates to find Colorado views for their ads and websites?!!

    1. ..the one credited to Grace Hopper, (Hooper?) you know?  Here’s a matter of a few degrees of separation.

      Last summer an old neighbor (his is old, I didn’t know him since he moved in after I moved out) was in his yard so I went and introduced myself.  I knew that his wife had died some months before, and he started telling me about her.

      Seems that she was working in the Navy on computers way back when. He told me about finding a moth in one of them and taping it into the logbook.  About this time I’m trying to match this with what I’ve heard.  I asked her name, and it did not compute, to coin a phrase.  And then Dave mentioned that his wife was working with Grace Hopper.  

      How about that?  

      1. She came to the University of West Florida and told the story of the first bug, among other great anecdotes.  I remembered the bug as a cockroach (a.k.a. Palmetto bug, the official State of Florida pet ;-), but you’re right, it was a moth.

        I loved her story of the nanosecond (see anecdotes) — in the mid-80’s, a friend working for a supercomputer manufacturer here in Denver couldn’t get his IPL boot program to work on their 16-cpu system.  A tech put an ocilliscope on the system and determined that it’s timing was off.  He cut out about a foot of wire from the last CPU, and the darn thing booted right up!

        1. An uncle of mine was also doing computers in the Navy in the sixties. Once while vacationing with us my mother noticed some scribblings of his, all 1’s and 0’s.  He was using binary for his own brain so that he could “see” things like a computer.  Those were NOT the days….

          Now, if I can only get my little three computer P2P to keep working reliably.  Sigh…..

  7. and doing her job just maybe too well.

    It turns out that Genevievette Walker-Lightfoot, an attorney with the SEC, found a lot of irregularities with Madoffs firm back in “04 and wanted to persue the investigation further.  

    She was directed elsewhere by her superiors, one of which later married Madoffs niece:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31…

    Anyway, good on you Mrs. Walker-Lightfoot.

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