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Here we go again…..
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html?&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Question to Elliot and Moderatus: where were your good guys with guns which is all we need to prevent this?
P.S. Before anyone goes off on how distasteful it is to talk about it right after it’s happened, when exactly is the appropriate time to do so? After everyone’s forgotten about it? I’m not sure Emily Post ever gave much thought to this.
I can’t even….
My daughter frequently spends time in Las Vegas. My sons' girlfriend is from Vegas and has family there.
All you right wing NRA members can go straight to hell.
I'd also ask Moldy, et al, just what is the non-politicized way the GOP plans to use the money provided by the gun lobby to pass gun legislation to ease restrictions on weapons, silencers, etc?
Or are they planning on halting those actions in deference to the victims and their families of these shootings?
… I thought not.
To those conscienceless right-wing assholes who keep the weapons in the hands of maniacal killers and psychopaths, and then self-servingly lecture the rest of us that we mustn't "politicize" such tragedies, I say FUCK YOU, DIRTBAGS.
“This must stop. It is positively infuriating that my colleagues in Congress are so afraid of the gun industry that they pretend there aren’t public policy responses to this epidemic. There are, and the thoughts and prayers of politicians are cruelly hollow if they are paired with legislative indifference. It’s time for Congress to get off its ass and do something.”
— Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT), on Twitter, in response to the mass shooting in Las Vegas.
not shocked, surprised, or particularly upset by this.
This is where we are in America today.
While it is obviously the shooter's heinous act that he is solely responsible for, the conditions are the fault of many others.
He felt guilty, that's why he killed himself.
Republicans and the NRA have an enormous share of the responsibility, but they will evade, the press will play "both sides", and only the most attuned voters will react.
PROFESSIONAL DEMOCRATS (office holders, party officials, bloggers, consultants) who are constantly in search of a way to woo the Redneck, Dumbass, and usually Irrational Gun-loving voter, and who are forever afraid of the NRA, also share some blame for the state of our gun laws and attitudes towards the ultra-violent tendencies of our society.
Message to those Professional Democrats:
And Trump will respond that there are many 'fine people' among the psychopathic shooters.
yep.
I'll be damned if Michael Bennet didn't do good on this one.
American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
It took one mass shooting in Australia. It took one school shooting in the UK. How many more will it take us? Why do we keep insisting on arming the assholes who want to kill us?
As Zappy mentioned above, they're not all evil. A lot of them are just crazy as a peach orchard boar and shouldn't be allowed near a firearm.
And Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell will send their deepest thoughts and prayers to the dead victims.
And Roy Moore will attribute this to the legalization of same sex marriage.
And Theresa May won't be tweeting.
The New York Times article from last January with analysis of the effectiveness and popular support of various answers to address gun violence:
Angry, disturbed loners out to slaughter innocents is apparently very good for business:
I can only imagine the hellscape that would have ensued as thousands of country music fans emptied their clips at the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay. Just needed more good guys with guns…
That occurred to me too. The more Good-Guys-With-Guns solution that our friends on the right like to offer.
And what if there were hundreds of "Good Guys with guns"?
American Exceptionalism in action.
And Steve Scalise (since he's in the news) doesn't count. Those were trained DC cops.
It was a Country Western concert in an open carry state. Who said there weren't a lot of guns in the crowd? What is the next iteration of this crappy cliche? "Only a good guy with a machine gun can stop a bad guy with a machine gun".
"This American carnage stops right here and stops right now."
Donald Trump 1/20/2017
Tired of #winning yet?
Why does he always have to put his hand up in the air when he speaks? Damn you, Marco Rubio, for putting the matter of Trump's hand-size in all of our heads for all time to come.
If this event was like most other concerts, those good guys with guns would not be allowed in. Events such as this are typically "gun free zones".
What a horrible tragedy.
The guy was firing from his hotel room on the 32nd floor. How would a good guy with a gun have prevented this?
You know what else is typically a gun-free zone? NRA conventions.
My thoughts exactly.
The leaders of the NRA may pander to nut cases but they themselves are not stupid. They're not going to want to be in the same room with many of their members armed to the teeth.
Yeah. But if they believe their own rhetoric, they would allow their members to show up armed since they're the "good guys with guns". They should feel safe with their convention goers armed to the teeth.
They should be dogged with the question of why they don't allow guns at their events until they do, or are forced to answer, and maybe beyond that.
Tacit admission they aren't "the good guys"
And we should make them fess up to that.
You can carry firearms at the NRA Convention.
But don't they have to be peace-tied?
Nope.
Tell the whole truth, Negev. Yes, NRA attendees can parade around with glocks n rifles n what not sticking out all over the place. None of those guns will fire, because even the NRA isn't that stupid. Per "Crooks and Liars" : NRA convention permits no operational firearms on site.
Or, since you'll claim that "Crooks and Liars" is a leftist site with no credibility, the 2018 NRA annual meeting Firearms Policy reads as follows:
Georgia law allows open carry only with a
Georgia permit. How many conference attendees will bother to get a Georgia open-carry permit?
In other words, y'all are just fine with your 2nd amendment rights being "infringed" if you are amongst each other. After all, none of you, like the Vegas shooter, are 64 year old psychotic white dudes with 20+rifles laying around and a grudge against the rest of the world, are you? Nope, nobody in the NRA could possibly fit that profile.
I just read the report. Apparently you did not:
However, the NRA did not in any way ban the carrying of guns at their convention; rather, the rumor to that effect stemmed from a misunderstanding of varying convention practices, local regulations, and existing laws.
The NRA convention is a very large event, with expected attendance in the range of 70,000 to 80,000 persons, and will sprawl multiple venues. At the primary venue, Music City Center, gun owners with proper carry permits can indeed bring their guns with them during the association’s convention. However, one of the auxiliary venues, the Bridgestone Arena (which will be hosting an NRA-sponsored concert by country music artist Alan Jackson and comedian Jeff Foxworthy), is a private venue that prohibits the possession of firearms, and attendees are bound to follow its regulations when they are in that particular arena. When attendees are at other convention locales, such as the main exhibit hall, they will be free to carry firearms in a manner consistent with state law.
Moreover, the NRA did not mandate that any firearms displayed on the convention floor have their firing pins removed, nor that guns purchased at the convention be picked up elsewhere. It is common safety practice for guns put on display by their manufacturers at such shows to be non-operational, and state and federal laws govern the sale and buyer pick-up of firearms.
So, "in other words" attendees are expected to follow state law. Georgia carry laws have permit reciprocity allowing anyone from:
Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
… to carry.
That's the whole truth Mama.
you still have it wrong. I'm quoting the rules for the 2015 NRA convention in Nashville, Tennessee, as published by the Tennesseean,
AND the 2018 convention rules for Atlanta, Georgia. You're conflating the two events.
Both those venues limited gun carry and operability. – Nashville by removing firing pins, and only allowing in certain venues, Atlanta will in 2018 by requiring permits, and allowing open carry only inside hotel and in Georgia World Congress Center. The Atlanta site also notes to check back on their firearm policy closer to the date of the convention.
But forget all the niggling about open carry – let's just assume that you're right and all NRA let anyone carry anything, loaded or not, anywhere, let little kids handle it, etc. Heaven on earth for a gun nut.
Where and when do you all start taking responsibility for your own? When do you all start calling out the vicious racists in your midst? When do you all begin actually demanding meaningful gun safety instead of whining paranoid fantasies about mean libruls picking on you? When do you all start expressing actual remorse for all those who will die this year, not just from mass shootings, but from gun accidents while cleaning and showing off?
When will you all start telling you sick old white fucks that if you're suicidal, see someone, get help, don't just start trying to take out your wife, your girlfriend, your kids, and random strangers to ease your own passing?
When will you all start having workshops like that at your gun worshipping religious festivals?
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No Mama you are conflating the two events.
The inoperable guns are display guns, not the ones carried by attendees. Kids included.
Permit required. 32 state reciprocity.
Bottom line: you can carry at the NRA convention. Quit assuming and admit.
Taking responsibility for "our own"? Riddle me this: Who shoots up a county jamboree? A festival chock full of gun loving conservative back ass country fucks? Who does that?
If this guy pans out to be a "mean librul" are you taking responsibility? Pot, meet kettle.
He’s a regular at taking responsibility for his own, MJ . . .
. . . every time that there’s one of these horrendous gun carnage events, you can bet that Negev will take time out of his otherwise busy schedule and come here in a predictable ritual of recognition of the ballistic accomplishments of his brothers in arms.
I am pretty busy.
Since the guy was firing from 300' up in a hotel across the street, I'm not sure why that matters. Also, the festival was in a paved area off the Strip. The area around was open to any members of the public who wanted to carry guns long or hand and gleefully return fire.
Hey, who are you to use anything like facts to dispute Negev’s weak hypothetical rationale for dismissively discounting yet another episode of American gun carnage??? . . .
. . . As far as these guys can see, nothing about this shooting (or any other shooting, past, present or future) has anything to do with guns!
My rationale was actually based in fact, (check what you can’t bring) however I can agree that no firearms in the venue is a good idea, as I am certain there would have been return fire. But hey, maybe somebody coulda tackled him while he was reloading, right?
Uh. They would have to get up 30+ flights of stairs and break into his hotel room.
Please google sardonic. Short bus leaves at 10.
Good. Hope you enjoy your ride on that bus.
got me good on that one gomer.
That's nice. Don't blame me because I can't know whether you gun nuts are joking or are serious. For years, when I heard one of your over the top bleating and half baked ideas, I think "surely they can't be serious" only to find out they are.
Understood and my apologies, however the half baked idea that you question, that of tackling the shooter, comes from you anti gunners. Its quite refreshing that "surely, they can't be serious" is the first thing that comes to your mind as well.
This good guys with guns excuse was lame the first time gun idol worshippers like Numbnuts used it and is even more rancid now. More guns would not have stopped this Trump supporter. More guards won't stop these people. It's like saying tax cuts for the rich are going to make us all wealthier. Hasn't ever worked in the past and isn't going to work now because it's pure bullshit by people who sleep with their gun barrels stuck up their asses. And more people will die and these unholy assholes will cling to their militaristic God who isn't Jesus Christ and their large capacity magazines and believe that they are the victims. What fucking unpatriotic assholes. Guns don't kill people but gun worshiping assholes do with their insistence that military grade weaponry be available to the public without restrictions. Go burn your tiki torch you fucking asshole.
Don't worry, GG….Negev assures us that the NRA has put no restrictions at all on its latest get together. Any findings to the contrary must be liberal lies.
Yes, they really are that fucking stupid. They're all good guys, really fine people, as their President says. So when 70,000 gun worshippers get together in a big room and show off their big guns, which may or may not be loaded, may or may not have any safety devices to prevent accidental discharge, they may or may not shoot off kneecaps, asses, testicles, or other indispensable body parts. So regrettable.
The NRA and gun manufacturers will have their wallets – but at least one organization has their backs…it's the NSPA. Cheers. They totally deserve each other.
The people who also deserve our thanks as a community are the first responders and emergency services. My wife was an ambulance driver for nine years and they called the really violent or tragic calls gruesomes. Some in her outfit developed PTSD from what they confronted when they arrived on scene. These people deserve our gratitude and support for that moment in time when they have a choice and they choose to point their vehicles in the direction of need and push on the accelerator. We have heros in our midst and they should be part of our 'thoughts and prayers'.
NRA blood money buys a lot of thoughts and prayers.
This may be the final word on this subject.https://www.pride.com/activism/2017/10/02/country-artist-flips-stance-gun-control-after-surviving-vegas-shooting-massacre
This may be the final word…..
I seriously doubt that. The NRA will send Ted Nugent, Toby Keith and Kid Rock to do an intervention on these misguided souls who have lost their bearings and restore them to slavish devotion to the Second Amendment.
Attorney General Joe Salazar live in Durango: (he just gave a shoutout to hemp, MB)
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Coloradopols barely acknowledges Salazar's candidacy, because he isn't raising funds like the other AG candidates. But Salazar is appearing all over the state, and has a large, energetic, progressive base. He's the guy we need as AG