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Sounding the bottom with Dave Schultheis

by: Alan

Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 17:11:33 PM MST


(Bumped into Wednesday by popular demand - promoted by Colorado Pols)

Tweeted by the Senator a few hours ago--


This doesn't mean what I'm reading it to mean, does it? Really, I'm looking for a second opinion, for some reason I still have trouble with the idea that anyone could be this vile.

Then again, this is the same guy who said it was his "hope" that "that person may have AIDS," so maybe that's just my naivete.

WEDNESDAY POLS UPDATE: Regrettably, Talking Points Memo gives our well-worn local embarrassment some national play:

Colorado State Sen. Dave Schultheis (R-Colorado Springs) posted a tweet yesterday that called for a derailing of President Obama's agenda in a rather bold way.

"Don't for a second, think Obama wants what is best for U.S. He is flying the U.S. Plane right into the ground at full speed. Let's Roll," the tweet reads.

"Let's roll" were the final words of Todd Beamer, a passenger aboard United Airlines Flight 93, one of the four flights hijacked on September 11 and the only one to crash before reaching its intended target. The flight was diverted to Washington, D.C. after it was hijacked, but crashed in a field near Shanksville, Pennsylvania after passengers tried to thwart the hijackers.

This isn't the first time Sen. Schultheis has had his brash way with words...

POLS UPDATE #2: The Denver Post reports:

State Sen. David Schultheis said he didn't intend a recent Twitter post - which accuses the President Barack Obama of "flying the U.S. plane right into the ground at full speed" and ends with "Let's roll" - as a reference to Flight 93.

"Let's roll," were reportedly the final words of passenger Todd Beamer before his hijacked plane crashed into a Pennsylvania field during the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Passengers aboard the flight tried to regain control of the plane and crashed before reaching the hijacker's intended target...

"'Let's roll.' It's a comment people use all the time any more. 'Let's get going. Let's move on. Let's make major changes,'" Schultheis said. "I can see it now. But, you're busy doing jillions of things during the day. You sometimes don't analyze every single word."

...State Senate President Brandon Shaffer, D-Longmont, today demanded Schultheis retract his statement calling it "appalling."

Schultheis wrote, "Don't for a second think Obama wants what is best for U.S. He is flying the U.S. plane right into the ground at full speed. Let's roll."

Ed Kowalski, a director for the New York-based 9/11 Families for a Secure America, said Schultheis was "clearly" referring to Flight 93. And while Kowalski himself disagrees with many of Obama's policies - his group takes a strong stance against illegal immigration, for example - that's no reason to evoke Sept. 11 imagery.

"Let's not cheapen what happened on Sept. 11 by making random and or ill-fated comparisons to current policy," Kowalski said.
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And that public safety ads in Spanish
on Spanish language radio stations are bad ideas.  This is the face of the 'modern' Republican party.  

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
So, perhaps I am also reading this wrong
but my immediate thought was that this lame fucker just compared my President to a bunch of terrorists that intentionally slaughtered thousands of my fellow Americans on 9/11. Or is it just me?

--From a "real dick."
by: JO
That's the only way to read it
He protected his tweets. Maybe there's finally something that can embarrass a Republican?

"You need to move past Fourier transforms and start thinking quantum mechanics!" --The Transformers
[ Parent ]
Well it says the ground..
Not a building.. It's more of a metaphor. I just have a problem with him saying that Obama doesn't want what is best for America.. I am 100% certain that he is doing what he believes is best even if I don't agree with most of his policies.

TheRINO.com
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My bad.
I didn't know that "Let's roll" was said by a passenger on Flight 93 before they attacked the hijackers.  This is definitely bad taste and undefendable.

TheRINO.com
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Hey, that's okay.
A couple of other people mentioned in this thread that they hadn't noticed that during the first reading, either. That's the part that really disturbed me. You just don't hear anyone use that phrase except in reference to 9/11 these days.  

--From a "real dick."
by: JO
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I don't even like Obama
and I think that's sick and wrong. Doesn't surprise me that it came from Schultheis though, he's crazy, plain and simple.
Crazy,
what part of the state is his Senate district in? Do you know, offhand, where he hails from?  

--From a "real dick."
by: JO
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Northern Colorado Springs.
If you can believe it.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey
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Ahhhh.
Thank you! Yeesh, I would have thought they could find someone a bit more sane down that way.  

--From a "real dick."
by: JO
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not really
   Isn't that the same district that sent Charlie "I Hear the Voice of the Beast" Duke to the state Senate in the '90s?
  Whatever happened to him?  Did he end up getting appropriate mental health treatment?
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I am honestly astonished at some of the people
that end up in office "representing" us.  

--From a "real dick."
by: JO
[ Parent ]
Some of the winners are losers Middle


"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning
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even the losers
and mentally bizarre need representation too
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He became a truck driver...
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thanks, Canines
   "He claimed that he could hear the voice of Satan cackling in the ceiling of the state Capitol."  That was my favorite Charlie Duke story.
  It turned out it was just Mike Feeley throwing his voice and messing with Charlie's head.
 
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Teamster?


"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010
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:-)


"In short, we eat oil" ardy39

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It's disgraceful
I suppose that it is protected free speech. He sounds like a conspiracy nut job to me. He probably believes a bunch of other horrible things about many ethnic groups. I don't won't to promote hate so I won't mention the conspiracies that run amok.

How about a 5 trillion tax cut for the upper 1% that's borrowed from China  and then invested in China? The Republican platform has legs.
So...........
Schultheis is metaphorically comparing the President of the United States to the 9/11 terrorists; and likewise finding a poignant analogy between himself and his ilk to the brave Americans of Flight 93 who died in PA?

Disgraceful. There just is no shame with these guys. There is simply no bottom to the barrel.

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

I wonder if...
he's aware that one of those brave Americans on Flight 93 was an out and proud gay man.  

I doubt it....his ilk tend to ignore facts that are don't conform with their narrow, backwards views.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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IIRC, he was proud gay Republican....
...and McCain spoke at a memorial service about him
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Whatever happened to the C-Pols contest...
for the dumbest thing said by any legislator, elected offical, whatever.

Let's send him a cake- and let him eat it cause this takes it.  It's not as mean spirited and just plain wrong as the AIDS thing- but should we call the Secret Service?
I mean how do you report these kinds of things ?

If someone really heard the kinds of things said it has been reported that the Major said they should have reported them.

The Secret Service is interested in legitimate information relating to threats
The Secret Service is interested in legitimate information relating to threats, plans or attempts by individuals, groups or organizations to harm Secret Service protectees. However, the agency does not desire or solicit information pertaining to individuals or groups expressing legitimate criticism of, or political opposition to, the policies and decisions of the government or government officials.

"303-850-2700"

http://www.secretservice.gov/f...

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If someone makes the call, please let us know.

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Horrible
I consider myself to be pretty tolerant. I easily dismiss off color, rude, distasteful comments ("slavery gets things done") as poor attempts at humor.  I probably do this too easily.  But this is beyond the pale. As has already been pointed out, this nauseating at several levels.  It is one thing for a private citizen with conspiracy delusions to be carrying signs comparing the president (Obama and/or Bush) to Hitler, but to have an elected representative saying these disrespectful things is outrageous.  How can I, a democrat outside of his district, respond in a constructive way?  Suggestions?
move here and run against him.
.
I'll rent you space in my detached shed.  That is MY State Senator.
.
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Not an option
I am sure a carpet bagging liberal such as myself would be a big hit in your district, but he is not running for re-election.
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maybe he's not running for re-electioncause he's gonna run for Gov?
Penry out- DS in.
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he's actually auditioning to be Tancredo's running mate

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Not sure about the "Let's Roll" comment
But the first part of the post seems right on to the extent it can be without the stupid plane metaphor.

As right as you might be, these happy hour tweets can be misconstrusled ...

Please don't feed...
...the Trollosaurus.
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Sen. Brophy, do I actually detect a certain degree of qualified criticism of how your colleague expressed himself?

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'misconstrusled' ?
I guess Happy 'Hour' is an understatement...

I love the neologism however, I can imagine the Gazette article now:

Sen Schultheis claims he was misconstrusled in comparing the Commander in Chief and leader of our Armed Forces, including thousands in his own district, to 9-11 Terrorists.

"I was tossing back more than a few strong ones with our future Governor Senate Minority Leader and Mr. Wadhams, and twittering my thumbs, when the next thing I knew I was again the object of ridicule, all for an unfortunate choice of words that suggested the U.S. President is comparable to some of the most despicable persons imaginable--widely reviled and considered enemy combatants--simply because I disagree with his politics,"  the  'senator' mumbled.

"But I'm use to it.  If I don't have my foot in my mouth then I hardly know which way is right," he said, pointing left.



"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
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Oh come on...
It's a ridiculous and offensive thing to say. Any mention of any sort of plane crash is generally pretty offensive.

That said, I really think that bringing up 9-11 in the context of this remark is purely political. When I first saw Sen. Schultheis' comment, I didn't immediately think about September 11th.

I knew a stripper named Skyler once.  --TaxCheatGeithner

Remember when "Let's Roll" was popular?
Look it up.

Schultheis meant it as a 9-11 reference, even if not everyone got it.

"You need to move past Fourier transforms and start thinking quantum mechanics!" --The Transformers

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"Let's Roll"
Yeah, right, Skyler...it's a real stretch.

Try the Google: "Let's Roll"

http://www.google.com/search?q...  

Guess what date the top many hits reference?
 

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$

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Weeeeellllll Sorrrrrrrryyy
I just find it hard to believe that anybody could be that dense. On top of that, I find it impossible to believe that an elected official, someone in the public eye, could be stupid enough to post something like that for public consumption.

I wasn't trying to defend his comments. I just didn't catch the "Let's Roll" reference.

I knew a stripper named Skyler once.  --TaxCheatGeithner

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Sorry, then, to dump on you...
but it seemed very obvious to me.  I think Schultheis clearly is that stupid and dense.  

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
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because....
somehow this is less dense than wishing AIDS on babies so their moms will maybe realize their actions have consequences?
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That's embarrassing.
For crying out loud, Schultheis.

"Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"  
You keep saying stuff like this.

[ Parent ]
Schultheis' note to himself:
Ixnay on the unk-dray ittering-tway.

"Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"  
[ Parent ]
ixnay on the ouchebaggery-day


"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning
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I wish it was a drinking problem
No laughing mater either, but still.

Without the booze or pills - it's just some asinine guy from C-Springs who happens to be a state elected official

[ Parent ]
maybe you guys need to start purging the embarrassments in your party instead of Dede Scozzafava and Arlen Specter

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They were a great start. n/t


"Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"  
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Who's next?


"In short, we eat oil" ardy39

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Mark Bingham
The 6' 4" 225-lb steamroller who rounded up a few other guys on Flight 93, kicked the terrorist's asses and saved the U.S. Capitol was a proud and out homosexual.

Schultheis: Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, you filthy moron.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

Schultheis should be reported for advocating assassination of the President of the U.S.
That's what he's doing, plain and simple.

Sick fucking bastard.  

I agree with you. HGF
The dems, etc., have basically ignored the rantings on the right.  I believe that is a dangerous policy.  The right gets more and more aggressive...pushing the envelope.  I interpret Schultheis's remark as a threat against the President of the U.S.  I believe that there must be an official response, but from whom?
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Kids say the darndest things


"Nice driveby spin" -- Libertad

"This site is filled simpletons..." -- JO

Not to defend someone who is a total douchebag but...
Many of us here said equally bad things about Bush when he was president - that all he cared about was his buddies on K street and in the oil industry, that he was destroying America, etc.

As to the relation with 9/11 in his use of words - I did not see that. Maybe that was the intent, but maybe not. (And we'll never know.)

Schultheis is a douchebag, but this is just generally douchebaggery.

Amazon tax? Bad Idea!

How could you not see it?
Crashing a plane into the ground? "Let's roll"? I could see not noticing it due to forgetfulness, but after it's pointed out to you, how do you pretend it's an accident?

It's like pretending Schwarzenegger's "Fuck you" was an accident.

"You need to move past Fourier transforms and start thinking quantum mechanics!" --The Transformers

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Disagree....
Read it again:  "...flying the US Plane into the ground at full speed.  Let's roll."

What other plane has been flown into the ground at full speed where there was a rallying cry (even a book bearing the same title) of "Let's Roll"?

Yes, Schultheis is a douchebag (actually, that is being unfair to douchebags which one could argue serve a noble purpose--whereas Schultheis just consumes food that could be going to starving people somewhere).

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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Repectfully, I disagree
Except for the 9/11 conspiracy crowd (who, frankly, need as much help as Sen. Schultheis), our comments never rose to the level of this statement.

It's one thing to say that the President is corrupt, in bed with his oil buddies (or others), and that his actions are destroying the country as a result.

It's another to say that the President is deliberately and maliciously trying to destroy the country.  That's what the Senator is saying.  Adding in "Let's Roll" just cements the statement; to Schultheis, President Obama is a terrorist no less than those responsible for 9/11.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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I agree that you're cutting him too much slack,
the combination of the plane and phrase is a bit much.

Wanted to say that after the whole Tancredo thing, I appreciate what it took for you to write that.  Take a shower, drink some water, take a walk in the sun later... it'll all be better soon.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

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Don't call Dave Schultheis a "douchbag"
That's an insult to feminine plumbing products everywhere.

Douche effluent maybe.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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Eewww
I was eating soup.

When I use lots of words, they always form an analysis (and, while producing high volume, also produce high information-density).
--Steve Harvey, 2009
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To me, it's pretty clear
this is advocating the assassination of the president of the United States.  That goes somewhat beyond general idiocy.

"... politics has been divided between two types of people: those who want more people to vote, and those who want fewer people to vote."
- Sen. Kerry
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I'll add an important distinction.
For the most part, posters on CPols are not elected Senators or other elected officials, with substantial responsibilities to the citizens of Colorado.  Schultheis is not some average citizen posting his/her political views anonymously on a website.  Members of the state legislature take an oath of office swearing to support the constitutions of the United States and the State of Colorado.  At the very least, "let's roll" suggests to me a revolutionary overthrow of our national government.  Sorry, but that's not supporting the US Constitution as Schultheis's oath of office requires.
[ Parent ]
He posts as SEN Schultheis too
further highlighting that he is representing the state, in a public capacity, speaking from that body.


"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
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Disrespectfully disagree
Speak for yourself with this horseshit, David.

One is not "balanced" simply because they try to constantly couch everything in some moral equivalence.

"It is hard enough to remember my opinions, without also remembering my reasons for them!" - Nietzsche  

[ Parent ]
"Let's Roll is a Threat"
This isn't difficult.
He says that President Obama is working against America by "flying the US plane into the ground".  So he says "Let's Roll" which is the phrase used by the passengers on the hijacked plane on 9/11 as they moved to take out the hijackers who were piloting that plane. That sounds like a threat to President Obama to me.

Michael Bennet had me at "Obama"
Nah...
It could just mean mobilizing to stop the President's agenda.  Way too indirect, IMHO.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878
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Agreed.
Quite an assinine comment, but not a physical threat.  A political threat, yes, not not a physical one.  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
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Excuse me
but he is not saying that Obama is wrong or that his policies are mistaken.  He tells us that we should not think for a moment that Obama has the country's best interests in mind.   What is that supposed to mean other than that Obama has had some dark, nefarious purpose in mind all along, that he sought the presidency only to do the nation harm?  There is simply no other way to read it.

There may not be an explicit threat here but, in calling Obama not just wrong but a traitor there is strong encouragement here for those who would think something drastic must be done to stop this bad person who has evil motives. Schultheis presents himself , through this tweet, as a despicable piece of something I'd want to scrape off my shoe with a very long stick, then burn the shoe.  

[ Parent ]
I'm certainly...
not defending the human piece of trash--but I think a line can be drawn between hyperbolic political speak and physical threats.

Many democrats made allegations that Bush and Cheney were more interested in advancing oil company interests and their own personal interests as opposed to advancing the national interest.  Does that mean we wanted him/them "taken out"?  No.  We wanted him/them defeated within the framework of our democracy.  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

[ Parent ]
Well I never
accused of Bush of wishing the nation harm on purpose.  Never thought he was smart or in charge enough to formulate any such thing. Your point is taken but I still think the Schultheis tweet is reprehensible.
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Agreed.
It is reprehensible, I in no way agree with it.  I think anytime you use a national tragedy such as 9/11 for purely political purposes, it is a reprehensible act.

But to reiterate, I think there is a distiction between hyperbolic political speech and a physical threat.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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Plausible deniability
But is has a certain "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" air about it.
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So when we find out that the Ft Hood shooter
was saying things like the US should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq... and the Muslim world should rise up and etc you're going to defend the Army's inaction? I mean, they were asinine comments but only political not physical threats, right?

I agree the line is hard to draw.
That's why elected officials and military officers are held to a higher standard - you have to avoid saying things that even risk the appearance of impropriety.

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Apples and oranges....
Schultheis has not praised anyone who has made an attempt on the life of President Obama (unless you know something I don't); he has not had contact or attempted to make contact with a terrorist leader (again, unless you know something I don't).

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  
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It's not a threat
There's no evidence he has the means or intent to carry anything out.

Completely inappropriate, completely over the top, and no different from what Glenn Beck says day in and day out.

The difference is Glenn Beck is not an elected official and Schultheis should be held to a higher professional standard. But as we have seen repeatedly in the past, Josh Penry is completely unwilling to chastise members of his caucus for going beyond the pale.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

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Bad imagery all around.
If Schulthies is trying to motivate someone or other, he should not have created the analogy that the the USA was an airplane.

In the real situation, where American patriots rallied around "Let's roll!" the plane ended up going into the ground. True, the plane didn't fly into the Whitehouse, but Schulthies didn't compare the USA to the Whitehouse, he compared it to the plane.

The guy is just demented however you try to parse his tweets.

Sum Ergo Cogito.

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But why complain to one another
when we can let the guy know what we think directly.  His e-mail is senatorschultheis@gmail.com
Good girl.
Good thinking, as usual.      

--From a "real dick."
by: JO
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cause I can be anonymous here

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I'll let you know if I hear back


"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
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Considering my language I bet
I won't be hearing back.  I'll probably just get on R e-mail lists by virtue of having clicked on an R's home page.  
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Guess we all kind of heard back in the Denver Post today
I guess the answer to the question: "Does this maroon have any shame at all?" is... maybe a tiny bit? Naaah..

More likely than his feeling any shame, is that his leadership was finally moved to a teensy bit of discomfort and told him to fix it.

As to concern over how his constituents in crazy town were taking it, he probably knows he could bite the heads off living kittens on the State Capitol steps and still get re-elected. His constituents are probably a little ticked right now that he gave an inch.

[ Parent ]
Machine Gun Schultheis
He's reddy for the aplocolypse of immigrants


oh, Schultheis has himself a leather daddy with a gun fetish and lots of tats!

[ Parent ]
well said OQD
I guess he's a bottom.

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
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Power bottom.
Just like his old friend Ted.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

"Some of the people that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?'." --Rep. Barney Frank

[ Parent ]
More Machine Gun Schultheis!

The caption reads:

A visit to Dragonman shooting range. A must visit for those who cherish their 2nd Amendment rights. Check out the machine guns.

Obviously a gun like that is not meant for mowing down a herd of herd animals-- it's meant for killing people. But what people? The police? The illegal immigrants? The tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free? The wretched refuse of the teeming shore?  

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It's the same way
those who cherish their 1st Amendment rights visit porn stores and pose fondling the merchandise, isn't it?
[ Parent ]
The analogy is so rich.

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love the new sig line!
(double quote mark at the front...)

MAH-I still owe you chicken, I know.

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$

[ Parent ]
Why on earth does anyone need all those guns?


Amazon tax? Bad Idea!
[ Parent ]
Avoid Warping the Barrel n/t


This movie has been rated PG-13 for sci-fi violence and destruction
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I don't know what all the fuss is about
His twitter went out to the Judith and Blanche Beauregard and the rent-a-cop at Kinkos on 14th.  Anybody who thinks he is mobilizing a zombie army of Catholic Republicans to lay siege to the White House hasn't been following his political trajectory.

This is like getting all stressed when the street corner preacher/mental patient tells you you're going to Hell because he said so.  Relax folks this creepy character is on a tiny stage and will be making an exit soon.

It would be interesting to know if he ever served or is of the same chicken hawk mold as Tancredo.  For him, let's roll means to the rear where he'll be safe from real danger.

Nothing to see here folks except a Republican 2.0 doing the full mental.  Move along now.

Pearls...swine...etc.
This is something I've always struggled with in regards to political rhetoric.  What is the line between letting the crazy nutjob speak to himself and those that share his tin foil hat view points and at which point do we need to correct, or attempt to correct, whacked out ideas that are both wrong and virulent?  While I agree with Gilpen Guy that this is nothing new from the peanut gallery of the GOP, but at the same time he is an elected official that should be held to a standard.  Don't ask me what it is, I think the bar is pretty low for the Colorado GOP at this point.  

--
Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man.
- Bertrand Russell
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Speaking of inappropriate,
of the same chicken hawk mold as Tancredo

I think we've been over this.  Putting it in there with the "mental" comment is especially nice.

You may think it's fine to send people who've been treated for depression into a war, with a gun, but I don't.

Stay classy, Gilpin Guy.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

[ Parent ]
Point taken
To rephrase the question

Did Schultheis tweet before or after Obama spoke at Fort Hood?  If he tweeted after, did he bother to listen to the presidents eulogy of the fallen troops?  If you seriously want to discuss what it means to "roll" then you have to consider the call to arms in his eulogy.  Schultheis speaks in terms of rolling politically while Obama speaks of winning the peace.  There couldn't be a bigger gap in performance between the chicken hawk Schultheis and Obama.  One's the commander in chief and the other is a dolt.

His speech at Fort Hood reminded me of another former Illinois senator who spoke at a memorial during a time of war.  That senators speech was about three minutes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

[ Parent ]
That's not rephrasing the question.
That's you trying to make up for being an ass by trying to make me look like one.

It's not helping.  I'm not a Schultheis or Tancredo supporter and I'm certainly not in charge of defending their dumbass statements.  You are in charge of defending yours though.  Got it?

In case you don't, re-read your last comment.  Why are you bringing up Ft. Hood?  You obviously think it's fine.  Mental state, schmental state.  Everybody's fucking fine.  Off to war, here's a gun!

Brilliant.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

[ Parent ]
Perhaps "rephrase" is the wrong term
I was trying to point out that Schultheis' is desecrating the term "Let's roll" by using it for political war on Obama.  Meanwhile Obama is at Fort Hood as the commander in chief and spoke eloquently to those grieving about their sacrifice.  One person tweets treasonous political garbage and the other person ignores the insults and rallies his troops.  If you haven't listened to Obama's speech then you should  I wonder if Fox News which aired 90 minutes of Libyian president Kadhafi ranting at the UN had the guts to air Obama's 15 minute eulogy to the troops.

If all you got was my insensitivity to mental illness then you missed both the Obama speech and my attempt to contrast it with the political coward Schultheis.

Sorry I grouped Schultheis with Tancredo.  One got a legitimate medical deferment from the military during a time of war and the other is a political Wormtongue.

[ Parent ]
Unfortunately, your original comment hasn't magically disappeared.
Why can't you or Schultheis just say that it was out of line and apologize?  Why does there always have to be a backpedal?

Sandwich in between your crap, there are good comments, not even close to what your original post was about.  Say you're sorry and leave it at that.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

[ Parent ]
Why does there always have to be a backpedal?
When there are a jillion things on your plate, you can't be accountable for every word.
[ Parent ]
Maybe if you're that busy, you shouldn't be taking time for tweets.
But who the hell are we, RedGreen?

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey
[ Parent ]
No need to be concerned about it RG.
It is a standard troll trick to take some minor comment and go all faux outrage over it so they don't have to actually respond to the point being made.  Mr. Mental studiously avoided debating how inappropriate it is for Republicans to use 9/11 imagery to further their divisive hatred particularity on Veterans Day.  Cirque d'Soleil should consider signing him for his mental contortions but he deliberately avoided responding to my actual point.  Obama is a real leader seeking new solutions to intractable problems.  Schultheis is a political coward who defiles our precious history with his "Let's Roll" demagoguery and hatred.  The chasm between the two will never be bridged by Schultheis.  Is that clear enough?
[ Parent ]
You're so dumb.
You weren't making a point.  Congratulations, you're as bad as the teabaggers with signs that say "Ken-ya trust him."

Is that really the only insult you have for Tancredo?  Of all the legitimate things to call him, this is the one you choose.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

[ Parent ]
Typical troll
Even when you are called about avoiding discussing the real issue, you have to cling to your petty side distraction.

It is clear that you can't defend Schultheis and his attempts to once again debase 9/11 imagery for Republican political gain so you wander off in the woods seeking some sort of outrage about poor Tom Tancredo.  And you call me dumb.  lol dude.

[ Parent ]
I'm too old for this.
Lesson learned.  Facts optional.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey
[ Parent ]
It's not a fact but
I totally agree that Tom Tancredo was unfit to serve his country.  I just wish his unhealthy mental condition would have made him unfit for Congress where he enthusiastically voted for a war of choice which sent hundreds of thousands of other peoples sons and daughters into harms way and cost a hundred thousand of lives.
[ Parent ]
Now apologize for saying I support Schultheis about anything.
Why can't you or Schultheis just say that it was out of line and apologize?  Why does there always have to be a backpedal?

See how that was directed to both you and Schultheis?  That's right.  Me, asking why Schultheis couldn't just apologize.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

[ Parent ]
And then there is Schultheis
who now claims in a Denver Post article this morning that he didn't know that references to non-white pilots crashing planes into the ground and the term "Let's roll" as a rallying cry were for a defense against non-whites was linked to the loses of 9/11.  If he really really unwittingly didn't know that evoking images of non-white pilots as evil and a call to spontaneous action as associated with 9/11 then he will be the first Republican politician in the entire country to have made such a mistake.  Talk about be out of touch with the American culture.  How can this guy have any credibility about knowing what the American people want from a good government if he doesn't know that evil pilots and heroic Republicans has been done before?

If he intentionally used the 9/11 imagery to portray Obama as the evil terrorist who needs to be destroyed and now recants claiming he didn't know then that's pretty shady morality.

If you compare this twits twitter with the eulogy that President Obama gave at Fort Hood, it becomes obvious that the country made a better decision then Colorado Springs.  Schultheis is the poster boy of cynical Bush-league Republican politicians who will do or say anything to regain power so they can continue their culture wars.

He might be a bit too conservative for me but I am so thankful that Barack Obama is our Commander-in-Chief and I honestly understand how some people would consider Schultheis to be the Judas and the traitor to the victims and families of 9/11.  This is the epitome of demagoguery.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah. Show me again where I defended any of this?
I see where you called Tancredo sane of all things.  Then I see you trying to make a point, with yourself.

Apologize.

"Don't go all "Ralphie" on me now: Just let it go." - Steve Harvey

[ Parent ]
Just an excuse
to use the word "jillions."
[ Parent ]
I won't stay classy
Tancredo IS a chicken hawk. To the point where MIKE COFFMAN refused even to share a stage with the man.

Tancredo was constantly going around dressed in camo, with his ridiculous "U.S.S. Ronald Reagan" cap, with his desert-tan army boots, vigilantly patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border, posing with shotguns... He was almost as bad as this guy:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a...

[ Parent ]
Can I try a different approach?
Schultheis is so stupid that he doesn't even realize the 9-11 connection between airplanes and "let's roll".  He was just trying to be cute with a quick tweet.
Doubtful
but good try.  

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
[ Parent ]
Considering the his pattern
I see it as intentional.

Matters related to the Honorable Senator's intelligence are separate, but I am willing to entertain your argument though I do not think they are the cause of this outburst.  

[ Parent ]
Schultheis distances himself from Flight 93 references
"'Let's roll.' It's a comment people use all the time any more. 'Let's get going. Let's move on. Let's make major changes,'" Schultheis said. "I can see it now. But, you're busy doing jillions of things during the day. You sometimes don't analyze every single word."

http://www.denverpost.com/brea...

Brandon Shaffer demands a retraction from Schultheis, while Terrance Carroll is "willing to give Schultheis the benefit of the doubt on 'Let's roll,' but said the senator should show more civility when discussing the president."

An official with 9/11 Families for a Secure America says it's obvious Schultheis was referring to Flight 93 and understates that the tweet is "clearly a poor comparison" between a terrorist hijacking and presidential policies.

Oddly, though, "Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

Jillions of things...
impressive Sen, impressive.  One questions: How many zeros in a jillion?

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
[ Parent ]
I think in Schultheis' case
they're all zeros.

"You need to move past Fourier transforms and start thinking quantum mechanics!" --The Transformers
[ Parent ]
Three zeroes more than in "a shitload"


When I use lots of words, they always form an analysis (and, while producing high volume, also produce high information-density).
--Steve Harvey, 2009
[ Parent ]
The Denver Post takes a look at it . . .
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1...

And provides a link to ColoradoPols for those who want to read our fine analysis.

And didn't it break right here
on ColoradoPols rather than TPM???  I demand a correction!

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
[ Parent ]
Yeah that was weird
Maybe Jessica was confused when Pols bumped the story into Wednesday, or how TPM linked to the Pols story. Sequences can be vexing.
[ Parent ]
I sent it to TPM
Maybe others did as well.

"You need to move past Fourier transforms and start thinking quantum mechanics!" --The Transformers
[ Parent ]
The 6:26pm story update seems to have the sequence corrected.

[ Parent ]
Indeed
Here's the updated version, posted without noting it's corrected:

His message garnered angry responses from posters on the liberal blog ColoradoPols.com, which first noted the tweet. It also appeared on the national Talking Points Memo blog
.

As of the 6:26 p.m. update, Penry still hasn't commented.

[ Parent ]
Sinking to a new low for Colorado legislators...
And here I thought Colorado Springs legislators couldn't get worse than Doug Bruce.

I wonder how long it will take for political blogs in other states to pick up this story with this tagline: "At Least He's Not Your State Legislator" ... much like what ColoradoPols has done for embarrassing legislators in other states. With this one, we would deserve it.

Do you know today's news? Thank a journalist!

Question for theologians
When a moralistic lawmaker reads the Bible and sees that he shall not bear false witness, if bearing false witness helps get him out of an embarrassing situation is God OK with it?


"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
The answer is yes ClubTwitty...
Just reference the IOKIYAR chapter and verse from the Bible and you're golden.

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement" - Jim Horning
[ Parent ]
Limus test
The Post article has several comments supporting Schultheis and his comment. Is this some kind of wing-nut litmus test?  Could anyone, other than the fully indoctrinated, believe the SOB that his reference to an airplane, crashing at full speed into the ground, and the phrase "let's roll" is not a reference to Flight 93?  
I'm fairly liberal...
And I didn't get the connection right away.

I'm sure Schultheis knew the reference he was making. But I didn't catch it, so I suppose it's feasible it's just a mistake. One hell of a mistake, if so.  

I knew a stripper named Skyler once.  --TaxCheatGeithner

[ Parent ]
NO doubt
I let my anger get the best of me and I laid into a RWnutjob the other day and got tossed off the post for 30 days.
now they are having a free for all/contest over at the post as to how much you can defend this guy, defame the President and insult Michelle Obama.    It is crazy. just crazy.
Incredible we ever trusted that mindset anywhere close to power.

you have had to be in a coma not to know the reference to Flt 93 by linking the two.
or even to feel that way.

Its like Jesus, cant you see what your hate has already done to this country? President Obama is keeping us from creating an economic crater.

"Just dumbing it down for you zit-poppers." ~GOPwarrior

[ Parent ]
other than the fully indoctrinated
DavidThi808 begs to differ:

Maybe that was the intent, but maybe not. (And we'll never know.)

Because heavily laden phrases about terrorist attacks don't mean what they mean. We'll just never know.

[ Parent ]
Fully indoctrinate . . .
or exceedingly naive.
[ Parent ]
Call me naive
I didn't get the connection until I saw it spelled out. I figure it was probably intentional based on his excuse, but I don't see it as a certainty.

I think part of the problem is that Schultheis is such a douche that it's very believable that he would write something like this intentionally.

Amazon tax? Bad Idea!

[ Parent ]
And in any case
there was probably also a liberal Democrat state senator somewhere who said something similar about some Republican President, some time, some day.

"You need to move past Fourier transforms and start thinking quantum mechanics!" --The Transformers
[ Parent ]
We'll just never know.

[ Parent ]
Sure- but it wasn't published
promoted, distributed and recorded.

Or maybe it was.  ANd it would be reprehensible.
It's not that Schulteis saying this makes R's reprehensible - it's that it makes Schulteis reprehensible.

I don't buy his non-apology apology. He knew what he was saying, he knew the power of that reference.  

"Why do Republicans get to be stupid and win while whenever we're stupid, we're just stupid?"  sufimarie Feb 2010

[ Parent ]
We could stand a linguist, around here!
Where's Noam Chomsky when you need him?!
[ Parent ]
Why?
is anyone reading his Tweets?
It's good that he's leaving
When you look at his legislative history for the past three years...I really have to wonder about the legislative priorities of his district - license plates? Human smuggling? Those are the most significant pieces of legislation that he has gotten Ritter's signature on in the last three sessions. Two on license plates and one on human smuggling, and a handful of minor and/or cleanup measures that are thrown to the minority party to sponsor. Is human smuggling a big issue in north Colorado Springs? If so, I hadn't heard about it. In the big picture, Schultheis has not been an effective legislator - just a blowhard.
His meaning was quite clear!
We've just seen a campaign in which the VP candidate acused Obama of "palling around with terrorists", opponents call him Osama, or by his middle name Hussein, and similarly question his American-ness by sowing doubt as to whether he really was born in the US, so as to make him seem to have some kinship with Muslim terrorists.

The worst terrorist attack in history involved "flying planes into" a number of places, including "the ground" in Pennsylvania, due to the passengers who used the phrase "Let's Roll!"

Knowing all this, we're supposed to believe Dave "Babies should get AIDS" Schultheis when he says he just didn't consider the meaning of his words as carefully as he might have?

Blogger Please!!!

She wrote "tax cuts" on her hand.  A Republican so stupid she had to be reminded of the one thing: "tax cuts."  It's like if you saw Wile E. Coyote's paw and it said "road runner."

Sen. Sch...ultheis tw ..itter makes Olberman
Should be on in a few minutes...

"Yes Twitty, I'm an idiot." Ben Stein's $$
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