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does it mean that God is a Democrat?
And she’s pissed.
for showing us that there is a true choice for voters.
It only means that God likes Jane Norton more than Ken Buck — and, God only knows why that would be.
God must like stupid people, because he made so many of them.
ergo, . . . God is a . . . Republican????
That seems to be the choices to describe our good Mr. Buck. To say he’s not aware of any problems with water from oil & gas – and to say that in an interview in Durango? Fracing has been going on in Durango for over 15 years. There are people who definitely know more about this than the COGCC staff down here. Weld County has been hit really hard by drilling but they have a water system – so maybe they have not had as many outrageous problems. But still, this guy wants to represent the state he needs to be aware of major issues. This is either bad staff or stupidity.
He could have said that, to his knowledge, complaints have been addressed, that he has perfect confidence in the industry’s devotion to safety, etc. but
Seriously? He’s just never even heard of any issues being raised on the subject? Ever? Unless he’s recently arrived from another planet or alternate universe or something, it has to be stupid and ignorant or liar, or yes, bits of all three.
but somehow I find “stupid, ignorant liar” gives me so much more satisfaction.
La Plata county and the way it is done Weld county are two different ball games. The drillers in Weld use MUCH smaller rigs and the pads are smaller and less obtrusive. They don’t go as deep, either.(TTBOMK)
Don’t, however, let anyone fool you into believing there are no water violations in Weld County, even though you may not hear too much about it. The SOP in the O&G biz is, in the event they poison a well or such, they settle with the affected party on condition that they sign a non-disclosure agreement.
I think he is being disingenuous.
thanks for the info, but what does TTBOMK stand for?
I didn’t assume there were no water violations, just that they haven’t been played up as much.
I suppose I could have said, AFAIK.
😉
and have been happening for the better part of 20 years. If Buck is unaware of them, he is REALLY out of touch.
Environmentalists don’t like a pro-energy development Republican.
Also shocking – with Buck poised to win the Republican nomination, democrats start attacking. Be careful or you’ll end up looking like Norton. There was nothing remotely problematic with hose comments.
“If it happens, it certainly should be closely examined, because it is a danger to human health.” Fair enough?
ok then. might point out (again) that Buck hasn’t a clue of the goings on in his own back yard. Much more Colorado as a whole.
so it is safe to assume Ken Buck is outstandingly Unqualified to be in an elected office of ANY kind.
to appease the left wing fringe. And to siphon off votes from Dems.
I don’t see how anyone with half a brain in this state can claim no known problems. When you double down on his duplicitous claim you lose all credibility.
So I’m sure there may have been a few minor problems, but nothing big apparently.
Minor problem.
Was this even caused by drilling?
Nothing like flaming tap water to turn you from a rancher to an environmentalist in a hell of a hurry.
It’s a drilling mud waterfall.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Seriously, frineds and I used to go to a place and buy wayyyy overpriced drinks to sit around flaming water.
And any homeowner with glaming water should be grateful for all that free gas. Sheesh- it’s not like it’s metered through the water meter. Or the electric for the well.
It looks cool.
and their need for water.
They want government to do everything for them, even ensure that industries operating in the public domain do so according to basic standards!
You haven’t been paying attention, Beej. Democrats have been attacking Buck for some time.
Forgot that Norton is with you guys.
This from the same guy who admitted in the same article that
Wonder what will happen to those O&G fueled PACs if McInnis drops out of the race? That’s probably what’s keeping Scooter going now, knowing that it’s not the voters who will plop him into office, but all those PAC fake-info mail and TV ads aimed at Hickenlooper.
“Oil and gas companies have reported almost 1,000 spills to Colorado regulators over the past 2 1/2 years, totaling 5.2 million gallons of drilling liquids and oil.”
Drilling liquids which are mostly H2O, right?
When those article came out about flammable water a while back I wondered how many people know about the flaming fountain in Pierre?
http://www.sdreadytowork.com/d…
It’s a naturally occurring phenomenon, at least in that instance.
http://www.experiencefestival….
is “mostly water” too. Your point ?
Didn’t know concentrated sulphuric acid was a drilling mud.
Anyway, using the phrase “5.2 million gallons of drilling liquids and oil” is near meaningless, designed only to scare and rile people who don’t take time to understand.
But I’ll bet you knew that already.
And you know damned well his point was that your claim about drilling fluids is bullshit. Mostly water? Yeah, fraccing fluid is mostly water… and so is sulphuric acid. And it will eat your flesh.
The fact is…all that shit is toxic and you are an ass for trying to make such a bogus argument. I worked in the gas patch for a number of years and I have family who do as well.
Your argument is specious.
Mud dumps harm riparian habitat
Mud dumps destroy water systems
Even if it were all, or mostly predominantly non-toxic ‘discharges’, sediment, mud, and severe surface disturbance are–obviously–themselves a threat.
But the chemicals–utilized and produced–are toxic, and they clearly exist in the local environment in enough concentrations to produce health affects in the drilling zones among workers and residents.
Granted, the oil companies do say its OK; and why not trust large corporations (from Tulsa, or London, or Calgary or Houston…perhaps even Denver) out to exploit an area’s natural resources for as quick a gain on their dollar as possible?
Indeed, the companies go on and deny problems, that their activity causes much harm at all, given their delicate and caring touch; that the possibility for such is mitigated below any significance by their care for each little plant and critter to the utmost of their deep abiding concern.
That while they have everything under control, with each of our best interests and personal well-being in mind, should that very rare occurrence (for which they are always vigilant and prepared, 24/7 365, for each and every operating rig) we need not worry: there is a ‘response plan’ already written up.
And while highlighting their deep concern for all things cherished, companies will deny specific harm for a decade or more if they can–years and years is de rigueur–while regulators drags their feet and poisoned people suffer.
Perhaps they’ll ‘win’ by wearing the poor citizen down or draining their bank accounts–silly people don’t have a bevy of high-priced lawyers, after a while even the stoutest of heart will probably take a little cash to shut up and quietly move away…
Or maybe they’ll just buy a gubernatorial candidate or a county commissioner.
Ahhh, I love the smell of benzene in the morning…smells like the Free Market ™.
For many of us who get to directly experience the reality that is gas drilling in Colorado, and follow its happenings–lease sales, drilling plans, mishaps and accidents–W’s argument is indeed, as Duke says, specious.
Of the 5.2 million gallons, some may be toxic and some is not. That was the point.
You’re not the only one with family in the business.
if it’s toxic?
To me, NONE.
Your mileage might vary. But you live in Denver (according to your nickname) so you siphon off your water at the Divide, before the gas companies fuck it up.
I’m not so lucky. I live downstream.
Perhaps he has just been busy placating Tea Partiers, but should Mr. Buck head off to Washington he needs to be able to consider energy policy in terms…
“I thought they cleaned up the oil spill already.”
Other than that, you are doing a fine job as a Coloradopols editor.
Your take two follow up questions out of context, pretend they represent something they don’t then you are off to the races pretending that a candidate knows less than you about something. Try a little honesty.
Here is are the two questions and answers that preceded what you quoted:
Having read those questions and answers you think it fair to say Buck “never heard that oil and gas drilling is dangerous”. That goes beyond unfair and is fundamentally dishonest.
The questions and answers which you quote are asked of the gas industry, not the oil and gas industry. Buck has a gas well on his property where he lives.
The questioner suggested there were problems on the western slope as to the gas industry and asked whether Buck had experience with complaints about that. Buck indicated he did not and asked what type of complaints? The answer: “Complaints from landowners about wells being put in places they don’t want, complaints about toxic releases from wells, water pollution, things like that.”
What does placing a gas well in a place the landowner does not want it have to do with safety? Nothing.
Toxic releases from gas wells?
Water pollution from gas wells?
There have been instances of materials used in the fracking process that have gotten into groundwater, but that was not exactly the gist of the questions he was asked.
Your conclusion that Buck needs an education which you are able to provide as to energy policy is a joke. Your lack of depth and analysis is remarkable.
the dangers of gas drilling, which have been well documented in Colorado. But you’re right, the headline on this diary is misleading when it lumps “oil” drilling in the mix.
I specified onshore (i.e. as in Colorado) activity:
And from the interview, again my emphasis, Buck first disavows knowledge of complaints in general:
Then he went on to say:
He’s running for Sen from CO, not LA. I want a Sen. to deal with off-shore too, it’s a national issue, but Buck’s comments show a complete disregard for either the reality on the ground in Colorado or a lack of concern for real issues affecting real people in the state he hopes to represent.
Was Buck asked any questions in the interview about the onshore oil industry? No.
You conclude Buck knows of no problems with the oil drilling because he has not heard of problems with gas drilling being done not where the landowner wants them to drill?
You make so many ridiculous leaps of logic you should be embarrassed.
Look, it’s the ‘oil and gas industry.’ Even the trade groups lump O&G together (you know, like the Colorado Oil & Gas Association, or the Colorado Petroleum Association). When the weekly rig counts are reported, oil drilling and gas drill rigs are lumped together.
It is perfectly reasonable to group oil and gas together, whether in a blog title, in a trade organization name, or even in a government regulatory agency.
Your hyperventilating is a transparent attempt to distract from the real issue.
Buck said:
and
I understand your concern. This is perhaps too revealing about Buck (note he only talks about “wells” in the second quote, he does not distinguish oil from gas) and about you, not so much about Club Twitty.
Brilliant analysis.
Realtors sell all types of real estate. They sell farm land and condos.
When a question is asked about condos, that doesn’t make the answer applicable to farm land.
Both are real estate.
But thanks for adding your insight to the dialogue.
It’s called ‘oil and gas development.’ It’s called ‘oil & gas leasing.’ The activity is managed under the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission and/or the BLM’s oil and gas program. It is a term of art.
If the headline is incomplete (it’s a headline, afterall)–and no I did not ‘admit it was dishonest’–then it is because Buck did acknowledge–who couldn’t–that oil drilling in the Gulf has caused a massive FU.
So you can ignore the question, pretend that he used a different question and go with the answer to the questiion that was not asked. That seems really honest and forthright to me.
Wells that are drilled in the ground to produce fossil fuel almost always produce four things in varying amounts. Oil, gas, water, and condensate (called “casing head gas” by the old timers).
Some wells produce lots of oil and little gas. Some produce lots of gas and little oil. Almost all produce toxic, salty, VERY hard water and smaller quantities of condensate (a very inflammable liquid).
Your attempt to somehow draw a line between “oil” and “gas” is a truly pathetic demonstration of your staggering ignorance of the subject.