BREAKING: Weld, Other Counties Talk Secession (Yes, Really)

UPDATE: FOX 31's Eli Stokols reports, it's officially a movement!

Commissioners from Morgan, Logan, Sedgwick, Phillips, Washington, Yuma and Kit Carson counties all expressed interest in the idea.  Many met earlier this week at a Colorado Counties Inc. conference to discuss the feasibility of forming a new state.

Conway and Weld County commissioners Doug Rademacher and Mike Freeman told the Greeley Tribune they think a North Colorado would be a viable state.

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The Fort Collins Coloradoan's Patrick Malone reports:

Rural Colorado county commissioners are pursuing a plan to splinter from the state and create a new one in the aftermath of a legislative session they say runs counter to their way of life.

Laws passed this year in the Democrat-controlled Legislature enacting stricter gun control and impacting agriculture paired with attempts to expand regulation of oil and gas production to provide the tipping point, according to Sean Conway, a commissioner in Weld County, which is leading the charge to ask voters in November whether to form a new state…

Conway said it would likely be a requirement that the counties are contiguous, but he said any county — including some in neighboring states such as Nebraska and Kansas — is welcome to pursue the option, which he concedes is extreme. [Pols emphasis] Larimer County commissioners were unfamiliar with the plan, Commissioner Lew Gaiter said.

“Some will call (it) extreme, maybe aggressive,” said Weld County Commissioner Douglas Rademacher. “I would say absolutely. Extreme times call for extreme actions.”

We really don't know what to say about this–if it were some "Tea Party" or "9/12er" activist group proposing Weld County's secession from the state of Colorado, we would let it end with a good laugh–and it would still be newsworthy, much like the spate of "petitions" after last year's election calling for various states to secede rather than face another four years of tyranny under President Barack Obama.

Call us quaint, but we're shocked to see elected county commissioners seriously talking about such a patently ridiculous idea. Even in the case of Weld County commissioners, it's an escalation of a series of increasingly politically far-out positions, after already facing controversy over their decision to stop offering emergency contraceptives at county health clinics. Weld County's Sheriff John Cooke, as we've noted in this space, has embraced undeniably extreme positions on guns, the very issue upsetting the commissioners–such as repealing the post-Columbine Amendment 22 gun show background check law, and even repealing all instant federal background checks for gun sales. There seems to be a real breakdown of rationality in Weld County, among officials who wield considerable power. It's embarrassing, but also kind of fascinating to watch.

As Malone reports, apparently if a county wants to secede, a countywide vote is necessary, which would then require state legislation, the Governor's approval, and subsequent petitioning of Congress to create a new state. Alternatively, they might be able to join Wyoming or Nebraska, but we don't know how that would work exactly.

Perhaps the best thing to do is let them get it out of their system, like when a kid throws a tantrum.

76 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. bullshit!bullshit! says:

    The only ones not embarrassed by this are the ones doing it.

    I personally say let them go, they can not test their flaming water in Weldistan at all if that's what they want.

    • JKM123 says:

      Perhaps we should just give our Oil & Gas kickbacks to the Great State of Wyoming and join Statehood there, along with many other rural, fiscally responsible counties in Colorado.  Better yet, I would like to see a State of Denverboulder try to support itself.  I'd give it 5 years and they would be over-run with non-taxpayers, and out of productive land and water….wait…they're on that track now!  They already owe roughly $19Billion in long-term debt between them (compared to our zero)…who should be using who as an example here?  Thanks to all of the "authorities" in Denver, but we don't subscribe to what you are studying to become!

  2. Curmudgeon says:

    I'll say the same thing I say to the southern states that threaten to secede.

    Do it.

  3. Wes55 says:

    Rationality mus be present before it can break down.

  4. Craig says:

    Sean, shame on you.  You're better than this.  The reality is that many of us old-time moderate used to be Republicans sat around for years and years while your right-wing nut cases passed all sorts of crap.  Now the tables are turned and you want to seceede?  Come on.  You know this isn't going to happen and your effortr does nothing.  You might do better to live up to your own roots and get rid of the extreme element in your "Republican" party that's causing you to lose all these issues.  Remember when we controlled everything with a coalition of conservative and moderate Republicans.  Of course you do.  You lower yourself by pulling this crap and you gyrt tiyr iwb cayse,  We're already close to a situation where it will be impossible for the new "Republican"Party to elect anyone state-wide.

     

    PS, if you want to seceede, be my guest.  I'm guessing those farmers up there won't be so happy when they find out the size of the state road funds that they lose that they're taking from the urban counties based on miles of road rather than cars travelled.  You guys can deal with the potholes as far as I am concerned.

  5. JeffcoBlueJeffcoBlue says:

    Yeeeeeeeee-haw!

  6. Albert J. Nock says:

    The voters will probably say no.

     

    Colorado Pols illustrates a complete lack of historical and political understanding when they surround Weld with confederate stars.  Weld and other Counties are not trying to secede from the United States system of Federalism nor are they trying to secede from Colorado government. They are trying to form a 51rst State.

    Colorado Pols are the xenophobes in this circumstance.

     

    On a side note, I only wish Weld Republicans had the nards to distance themselves from the Federal Leviathan…

     

     

  7. ArapaGOPArapaGOP says:

    I am offended by the use of the Confederate flag. They do not want to secede from America, but from a urban controlled state government that no longer represents their values. I think rather than insulting the people of rural Colorado, Colorado Pols should be asking why they are so upset. Don't tell me the county commissioners of all these counties are crazy, this is more than that.

    • BlueCat says:

      Elections have consquences. It's real simple. What are the rest us, the  overwhelming majority, supposed to do?  Stop voting for the legislators of our choice?  If they'd rather go it alone as a starving, dirt poor state, I won't stand in their way. Maybe you'd like to go with them.

    • gertie97 says:

      Guppy: the commissioners you refer to are not all crazy, but they prefer rhetoric to results. How else do you explain them supporting lame lightweights their counties send to the Legislature with a rank inability to work with those from another party? Sean Conway is no dummie, but he has cast his lot with the know-nothings.

       

    • OrangeFreeOrangeFree says:

      We have an urban controlled state government because 2/3 of the people live in, or very close to, the urban center of the state. I'm sorry that Colorado isn't run anymore by your antiquated rural notions, I really am. It's quaint and all, but this is the modern world. 

      And they are crazy, it isn't more than that. If they were sane, they would be trying to boost up the state Republican Party so that they could take back the Governor's Mansion and Legislature. You know, using that whole democracy thing.

      Instead, they jump right to the extreme conclusion immediately, which is secession from the state to form their own state. The confederate symbolism is apt, so be offended all you want. I thought you people always argued it symbolizes States' Rights and not the whole slavery thing anyway?     

      • ArapaGOPArapaGOP says:

        You can't understand what urban dominance feels like until you live in a rural area. For rural citizens, depriving them of the right to defend themselves with no police able to respond in time DIRECTLY threatens safety.

        I live in the suburbs, but I am smart enough to know that our rural citizens still matter. And I apologize to them.

        • gertie97 says:

          Guppy: I live in a rural area. I know of no one, not one, who is not sufficiently prepared to defend house and home. Nobody needs a huge magazine for home defense. We're much better shots. Hunters who need more than one shot to take down game are ridiculed. It is you who has no idea what rural life is like.

           

          • Gray in Mountains says:

            I also live in a rural area. I welcome the civilizing aspects brought about by the large number of urban voters. Even the rural voters know damn well, or would learn in about 5 minutes, that this is just a nutty idea brought to you by conservatives, mostly the GOP

          • The realistThe realist says:

            I, too, live in rural Colorado and have for decades.  There are many of us who are not represented by the extremists who want their own rightwing state. 

            And ArapaGOP:

            You can't understand what urban dominance feels like until you live in a rural area. For rural citizens, depriving them of the right to defend themselves with no police able to respond in time DIRECTLY threatens safety.

            I do not suffer from urban dominance, I have excellent local law enforcement in my rural area, and I do not feel the need to have an arsenal in my home to defend myself.

             

        • OrangeFreeOrangeFree says:

          Not a single bill passed by this legislature deprives them of their right to defend themselves. They can still buy a gun. They can still buy bullets to put in that gun. Unless they have a domestic violence rap sheet of course, then it's only a little bit harder. 

          • Gray in Mountains says:

            on the other hand, Division of Parks and Wildlife has numerous restictions for many years on ammo, weapons and magazines. Never have heard a hunter squeel about not being allowed to use their AR and 30 rd mass murder magazine to go after elk.

        • DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

          I think all the gay citizens of this state have a very good understanding of what it's like to have the domination of others restrict their rights. Or to put it in words you might understand:

          You can't understand what straight dominance feels like until you live in a gay area. For gay citizens, depriving them of the right to marry the one they love DIRECTLY threatens their equality.

          I'm straight, but I am smart enough to know that our gay citizens still matter. And I apologize to them.

        • BlueCat says:

          Another big lie you hope nobody will notice? Nobody is depriving anybody of the right to self defense. They can still have as many guns as they want and 15 rounds per isn't exactly defenseless.

          As long as their preference is for candidates who spout nonsense and swear never to compromise they aren't going to have much of voice.  If it isn't working for them they should try something else.

          Don't blame Dems for the red rural base's lousy choices.  They should look for candidates willing to make deals across the aisle if they want their minority voice to carry some weight. They could get a little with candidates open to giving a little instead of electing the kind of extreme righties for whom there is an uncrossable, no compromise line on every issue and who  hurl accusations and insults at their opponents before any conversation even starts, including using "Democrat" incorrectly and pointedly when "Democratic" would be the proper term.

        • Gilpin GuyGilpin Guy says:

          I think what your feeling fool from your Highland Ranch $600k home is penis envy.  You don't know what it is like to have some balls and brains and have any abilities to work well with others.  What a teeny tiny failure of a person.

        • ClubTwitty says:

          And what 'rural' area do you have such familarity with?  Or is that what today's talking point says? 

        • Meiner49erMeiner49er says:

          I'm from rural Larimer and I'm curious about this "urban domination."  Is that something you wealthy suburbanites down in Denver go for when you visit Colfax after the bars close?

    • MADCO says:

      I am amost always offended by the use of the Confederate flag – but for different better reason.

    • ClubTwitty says:

      I live in rural Colorado so please don't pretend a little suburban troll such as yourself can dain to speak for those of us that actually live outside your urban bubble.

       

    • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

      No AGOP, stupid…not crazy.   Well, there is such a thing as a dual diagnosis…actually.

  8. gertie97 says:

    Every few years there's been a threat from one county or another, or several, to separate the Western Slope from the rest of Colorado. It gets ink for a while, then dies off once the reality of state water law, Denver Water's ownership of huge water rights on the Western Slope, school and college funding and highway funding works into the picture. A dose of reality kills the idea every time. So it will be with Weldistan (nice name, bullshit!)

     

  9. Tom says:

    Hmm… only 3 out of Weld's 5 GOP County Commissioners were involved. It seems this awesome idea of further isolating the already urban-dependent rural counties isn't universally liked on the right.

    On the plus side, I saw a recent proposal to move forward on high speed rail along the Front Range. Too bad that, with this bunch, the chance of a spur over to Greeley is entirely out of the question.

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Ha — If they wanted a spur in Weldistan, they'd build it themselves . . . no stinkin' gummit needed or wanted!!!

      • Gilpin GuyGilpin Guy says:

        They can build the spur with money that they get from corporations which because they don't believe in taxes they will give away huge concessions and let the corporations meter any air they breath for the next fifty years.  That's how shrewd they are when dealing with the big city slicker CEO's that they adore.

  10. notaskinnycooknotaskinnycook says:

    There's nothing new about "I hate the Federal  government, now gimmee my check." These are the same people who, in 2008, screeched, "No government take-over of heath care and hands off my Medicare". They are also the people who have no problem with cutting Medicaid, since " it only goes to the kids of those lazy bums who won't get a job and who are probably 'illegal ' anyway". Thyey are mostly bitter old people who don't grasp that it is Medicaid not Medicare that pays their nursing home bills. I say let 'em go, hope the door hits 'em on the way out and good luck financing your state with no tax base. 

  11. Old Aurora Dem says:

    And representating the Great State of Weldistan . . . I noted Cory Gardner's name associated with this lame-brained idea, I suppose that he sees forming a new state as his only chance to obtain a Senate seat. All of us darned urbanites certainly won't ever vote for him.

  12. dlof says:

    I suggest the new State's name:  The Commonwealth of Dumbfuckistan.

    • Already taken for the section of West Texas and the panhandle…

    • Curmudgeon says:

      How about Derpistan? That way, it won't have to be bleeped out when anouncers have to say, "Today, the entire state of Derpistan imploded in a black hole of stupidity as the Outhouse of Representatives erupted in gunfire over a dispute between the Tea Party, the Extra-Strength Tea Party, and the Libertarians. There were over two dozen fatalities, none of them significant."

  13. Reason over Emotion says:

    They are forgetting one basic principle of the Republic.  You can move to a state that has a constituency that matches your political identity.  They should just move to Texas.  This is childish and just typical of the type of leadership that seems to plague this part of the state.  Marylin Mussgrave, Ed Clark, Brett Reese, John Cooke and Ken Buck get to add this entire line up of county commissioners to the hall of fame that they have created in this region of the state.  

     

    • exlurker19 says:

      Yeah, they could help offset all the browns that are gonna turn Texas blue in a generation or so.  And to paraphrase the immortal Will Rogers, it would improve the IQs of both states.

  14. ProgressNow Colorado says:

    With compliments to the Guvs, we've designed a flag for the new state of North Colorado that we believe represents the movement's values:

    Spread the word! http://northcolorado.us

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