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September 25, 2013 09:55 AM UTC

Buck says GOP strategy to shut down gov't over Obamacare not Kamikazi or Kabuki but "legitimate"

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  • by: Jason Salzman

(Promoted by Colorado Pols)

Ken Buck, who's running for U.S. Senate, isn't always so great at making up his mind about things (e.g., the personhood amendment).

So, even though Buck had tweeted his support for Sen. Ted Cruz's crusade to shut down the government in order to stop Obamacare, it was wise for Fox31 Denver's Eli Stokols to phone Buck to find out his latest thinking about the standoff in Washington.

Unfortunately, the Buck campaign did not return Fox31's phone calls.

So I'll fill in the media gap with Buck's comments on the topic Sat. on KNUS radio's debut of the Jimmy Sengenberger show (Sundays 5-8 p.m.).

In a move other talk-radio hosts should copy, Sengenberger injected some refreshing conflict into his conservative show by asking Buck to respond to righty Jonah Goldberg's position against trying to shut down the government to stop Obamacare.

Sengenberger played Buck a Fox News interview with Goldberg about the passage of the House bill defunding Obamacare:

Interviewer from Fox: Jonah, is this a Kamikazi mission?

Jonah Goldberg: I don’t know if it’s a Kamikazi mission, there’s definitely a lot of Kabuki theater in it. It’s like a long con, where you try to convince people to part with their money, and the trick is that the con artist is supposed to leave before they realize it’s a con. And what’s happened here is this whole ‘Defund Obamacare’ thing is, it has been exposed with the con artist still sort of left out there. I mean, I like Ted Cruz. I like Mike Lee, but these guys have been selling a plan that simply won’t work and they’ve been denouncing anyone who says it won’t work as prematurely surrendering, when in fact, all they were doing was just predicting where the facts would take them.

Then Sengenberger asked Buck to respond:

Sengenberger: Is trying to defund Obamacare a Kamikazi mission or just Kabuki theater, or is there a real legitimate reason to put up that fight?

Buck: I think there’s legitimate reason, Jimmy, there. We cannot allow Obamacare to become one of the entitlements in this country. We’ve got to deal with healthcare. We've got to create a more open marketplace. We’ve got to give a patient centered healthcare system a chance. We’ve got to give consumers the information they need to make good choices. We’ve got to do better job at educating the public about their personal accountability for their health and give them incentives. And if Obamacare becomes a part of our cultural expectation, we have lost. We can’t afford another huge entitlement like Obamacare.

Listen to Buck on KNUS Sengenberger Show 9.21.13

This is what Buck said on Saturday. So you'd assume he would have said the same thing if he'd returned Stokols' call Tuesday. But, to make sure Buck's thinking hasn't changed over the past couple days, I'd suggest that Stokols stay after him.

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15 thoughts on “Buck says GOP strategy to shut down gov’t over Obamacare not Kamikazi or Kabuki but “legitimate””

    1. Which raises the question:  How come government "workers" aren't counted on the unemployment roles? 

      I mean, Rush and others have told us the harsh truth that Government can't create jobs.  So isn't Buck just drawing a perpetual unemployment check now, with hopes of increasing his benefits by jumping onto the more lucrative Federal gravy train?

  2. On the GOTP bright side- if they puss out and let Obamacare be …it will be sooo bad, they win a larger House majority and win back the Senate in '14, chip away at Obamacare until 16 when they then breeze into the White House and undo the whole thing.

     

    If, OTOH, the real panic now is the realization that Reagan's anit-Medicare straetgy in the 60's cost them years and years of D voting. Well- they have to collapse the gov't now, in order to have any chance to save it later. 

    1. Or maybe that once Obamacare goes into effect it won't hurt anybody and lots of people who have to buy their own insurance will have more affordable options and an easier time getting insurance which in the past has so easily been denied for such minor pre-existing conditions,  If you're self employed or don't get insurance through work you know how picky insurers can be when it comes to those of us paying entirely for our own.

      It hasn't been just serious stuff like cancer and chronic conditions like diabetes that cost you.  I once got turned down for a low cost plan because I had taken prescription allergy medication during the previous year. 

      With all its inadequacies the post Obamacare world will be better than the pre-reform world and then how will the GOP get people hysterical about it?

  3. I'd love to hear his [or the current Minority in the US Senate], alternative.  What, they don't have one? 

    1:2 men and 1:3 women in America will experience cancer; 1:3 children born after 2000 will have Type 2 diabetes.  With over 30 million Americans without any health care, the "Emergency Room as Medical Care" plan won't work.  We're the 35th least healthy nation in the world; we expend 17% of our GDP [the highest in the world] on health care, yet we look like a third-world health care system for the most challenged in our society.  The Affordable Health Care Act may not be perfect, but like any big legislative initiative, it can be tweaked as needed.  Preventive care and early detection is the best way to stem costs.  Our food choices as a nation are our worst enemy. We need to re-visit the Toxic Substances Control Act.  High Fructose Corn Syrup didn't exist a generation ago; childhood nutrition choices can make or break us.

    Vacuums [such as the one pointed out by Gingrich] tend to be filled. In this case,it's hard to miss the irony that it was filled with his very own proposal from the 90's.

     

  4. Sure it's a legitimate strategy – cut out Obamacare or the nation gets it.

    Of course no-one wants a shutdown. It's just that some people think a shutdown is less objectionable than implementation of a health insurance plan that will guarantee the vast majority of Americans an affordable insurance plan that won't cut out on them when they need it the most.

    I happen to disagree. There are few if any programs for which I would prefer a government shutdown to continuation of the program. If you can't get a vote to repeal the program on its own or at worst as part of a horse trading deal, then you don't have the support to repeal it. Republicans are offering nothing in the way of a trade; they just don't like it and see no other way to attempt a repeal. They're willing to instigate a government shutdown to get their way.

    1. If Obamacare goes into effect, the nation "gets it" too. This law is about to hurt millions of people, and it could even kill. Republicans are not desperate, but we realize that time is running out and we are literally trying to save lives!!

      Shutting down superfluous functions of government is a small price to pay to save the nation from socialism, and save our grandmas from Obama's choice to give them a "pain pill instead of the surgery." This a matter of freedom, and literally of LIFE AND DEATH.

        1. " Somebody said so" is intellectually rigorous enough for n3b as long as it fits into his tea party framework.  All other info to the contrary is ignored.

        2. A friend posted last night that creationism shouldn't be taught next to evolution in schools because it wasn't based on facts. I responded "sure it has facts… Fact: The Bible said it.  See – facts!"

          "Somebody said so" is another one of those inconvenient facts that we often overlook. They really did say it – it's a fact.

      3. "This law" has already saved health insurance customers millions of dollars. "This law" has already kept hundreds of thousands of young men and women insured.

        And "this law" will soon take many of the previously uninsurable and move them in to the ranks of the insured where they can get the care they need at a reasonable price, taking the pressure off of our bankruptcy system, stopping the redistribution of unpaid hospital bills back into our insurance rates, and in some cases lowering government spending by keeping those people out of the poorhouse and off of Medicaid. And it will allow them to lead better, more productive lives.

        PS – I can't help you if you still believe the IPAB will kill off granny. That's your own reality you're living in there. I tried to point out the flaws in that logic the other day, and you apparently didn't even bother reading them.

      4. n3b, I'm not going to do your printwork for you, but I will point you in a direction that should inform you as to both the areas of government that will shut down and how much our, that's yours and mine, debt will INCREASE if The Affordable Care Act is repealed.

        And that number is for 10 years. It gets worse as you get farther out.

        The CBO will do that. Here's where you look it up.

        Not that I'm not more than a little irritated by the continuing ignorant posts about both the ACA and the looming shut down. I am. You're old enough to think for yourself, and you shouldn't need a baby sitter. So are the other pinko reds posting here.

        Whether you know this stuff or not, or whether you know it but post this bullshit for some kind of payment, you choose 1 of 2 bad options.

        If you're knowingly posting fallacies, you're a liar. If you are an ill or uninformed dolt that doesn't know better, you have no business on this site. These people are not generally as kind and patient as I am. Nor do they suffer fools. Get the wrong poster, they'll hurt your feelings. 

        Get informed.  

      5. Whatcha gonna do when grandma realizes her Medicare coverage is as good or better than before Obamacare?

        You can always scare grandma – my grandmother is still afraid to vacuum or talk on the telephone during a stom.  She's also afraid the IRS is going to take her SS check. And now – thanks to knuckleheaded poltical hacks, she's afraid Medicar eis going to kill her.

        Scaring grandma doesn't win eleciotns when the monster is not real.

        There are no death panels. There is no coverage ceiling. Grandma can get surgery if it's needed.   

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