Tuesday Open Thread

“What is right to be done cannot be done too soon.”

–Jane Austen

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  1. ModeratusModeratus says:

    Did Obama provide material support for terrorists by exchanging Taliban commanders for a deserter?

    http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/02/judge-nap-admin-provided-material-support-terrorist-org-bergdahl-swap

    Napolitano explained, “He violated the law by allowing assets to go back to a terrorist organization. You can’t erect a telephone pole, you can’t repair a laptop, you can’t repair a tooth if you’re a dentist for these organizations without violating federal statute.”

    • Ralphie says:

      Yeah, the war is winding down.  We should have just left him there.  If he's a deserter, he'll be prosecuted.

    • That's "alleged deserter" to you and to all of us. As his case has yet to be decided by the military, he is still a member of our armed forces in good standing and, last time I checked, we commit our country to leaving no man behind. Even had his case been decided, we've done prisoner exchanges for deserters in the past. Bergdahl's case will be heard under the UCMJ, and it's possible he'll face time in a military prison, or less than honorable discharge from the military before all is done. As an American who did not actually leave to join the Taliban, he is still "one of ours".

      Further, the Taliban isn't on the US list of terrorist organizations. At the time of our invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban were the legitimate rulers of the country; as such, legally this exchange is a straight prisoner of war exchange between two governments – or one government and one former government, anyway. This kind of exchange is both proper and expected under the international rules of war.

      Shame on those using the long wished-for return of a POW – and a legitimate POW exchange – for political gains.

      • Gray in Mountains says:

        +12

        There are many folks who just don't wish there to be any success, anywhere in the world, as long as President Obama is in the White House.

        The President in many instances has undertaken efforts which just don't fit in with a "show 'em who is boss, fuck them up" attitude so prevalent in our nation. We, the US, have really gained by dealing with the world as it is under this president. Ukraine/Putin are a very good example of where we have won, or Putin has not gained, that probably would not be the case if we had followed the Bush/McCain/Palin/Limbaugh/Hannity doctrine

      • BlueCat says:

        I do now recall the incident at the time and it was widely reported then by those he served with that he had strong objections to the war and just picked up and left after which they were tasked with searching for him for two months during which they say six of them were killed in the process. Haven't run across any examples of a different view of the matter by anyone in a position to know. 

        I'm not venturing any judgements (I'm certainly in no position to know jack about it) but the whole thing, from start to the recent release of five allegedly high value Taliban in exchange for him, strikes me as odd. I can't help wondering if there isn't more to this than meets the eye. It just doesn't smell right.

      • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

        A1987, please explain your position on the Bowe Bergdahl situation, rather than just posting a link from a satire site (oaf) and then skedaddling.

        Here's what I find funny: The very people who were embracing Phil "Duck Dynasty" Robertson, with his unkempt face fur, find the beard of Bob Bergdahl's father to be "highly suspicious".

        And then, Mr. Bergdahl had the nerve to speak Arabic at the White House! He'd been studying it for years in hopes of being able to speak with his son.  Mr. Bergdahl said in Arabic:

        I'd like to say to Bowe right now, who is having trouble speaking English — (speaks in Pashto) — I'm your father, Bowe. 

        To the people of Afghanistan, the same — (speaks in Pashto) — the complicated nature of this recovery was — will never really be comprehended.  To each and every single one who effected this, in this country, in the service branches, at the State Department, throughout the whole of American government, and around the world, international governments around the world, thank you so much.  We just can't communicate the words this morning when we heard from the President.

        So we look forward to continuing the recovery of our son, which is going to be a considerable task for our family.  And we hope that the media will understand that that will keep us very preoccupied in the coming days and weeks as he gets back home to the United States.

        Perhaps Mr. Bergdahl will start a fashion fad among Taliban fanatics – shaggy crumbcatcher beard, but also the ponytail holding the hair back, necktie, and wife in a short, sleeveless dress – look for this to become de rigeur  amongst your local Islamist  peeps. You won't be able to tell the foot traffic on the Boulder mall from  that in Qatari.

        Phil Robertson would also be right at home, as a fashion icon. After all,  as a patriarchal religious fundamentalist, he has a lot more in common with the Taliban than not. 

        The rightie conspiracy sites are blowing up, claiming that Mr. Bergdahl "claimed the White House for Islam". Sheesh. 

         

         

         

         

         

        • Agent 1987 says:

          Just thought it was a cool read from someone connected to it. That’s all.

          • ModeratusModeratus says:

            They attack everyone here, don't feel bad.

            • Agent 1987 says:

              So I’ve noticed. It is a good read though from someone outside of the political/media spin.

            • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

              So asking someone to explain their position – or to do more than post a link – that's an "attack"?

              I do have to correct my own prior post, in case anyone read it. "Qatari" should read "North Waziristan".  "Islamist" should be "Taliban tribal warlord". I don't want to perpetuate stereotypes.

              I did actually read the link A1987 posted. It's confusing, because oafnation is a satire/  spoof site, which takes military photos and puts fake captions on them. Therefore, I would question how reliable it is as a source on Bowe Bergdahl. 

               

              • Curmudgeon says:

                Oafnation is as reliable as most sources for GOP "information", wouldn't you say?   

                • Curmudgeon says:

                  And besides, asking them their position is unreasonable. Agent 1987 just wanted to drop a little turd of "info" without having to take a position, and thus, any responsibility for agreeing or disagreeing with it.   

              • Agent 1987 says:

                OAF is a humorous website ran by members of the SOF/PMC community. They do have a certain sense of humor and have “military pictures with fake captions” but the contributors are legitimate and their stories are real. In my opinion he is a deserter and will be tried accordingly and will hopefully found guilty.

      • CaninesCanines says:

        Then I read this New York Times aticle today…

        But a review of casualty reports and contemporaneous military logs from the Afghanistan war shows that the facts surrounding the eight deaths are far murkier than definitive — even as critics of Sergeant Bergdahl contend that every American combat death in Paktika Province in the months after he disappeared, from July to September 2009, was his fault.

  2. Golden GirlGolden Girl says:

    Imagine my surprise when I read this this morning's headline and story in the GJ Sentinel…

    Hautzinger backs Quick for state attorney general

    "Pete Hautzinger, the Republican district attorney for Mesa County, isn’t in the same political party as Don Quick, the Democrat running for Colorado attorney general.".

    http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/articles/hautzinger-backs-quick-for-state-attorney-general/

    The link is behind a paywall (sorry) but It goes on to explain they are old friends from Hautzinger's Democrat days when he ran for the state senate and lost in Republican strong hold, Mesa County.  His party change, in my mind, was always more expeditious than philosophical so I have to ask, is Pete's endorsement once again a self-serving move now that he's going out of office?

     

  3. Gray in Mountains says:

    just returned from a week long camping trip. Observations: Alamosa has really grown. Along 285 into NM all rivers are full, in NM all rivers are full, the Arkansas is full. In Mora and San Miguel counties in NM the fight over fracking is going on. Many signs small and mid-sized, saying "Ranching not Fracking", "Water not fracking". Not much written in the 2 issues of the Santa Fe New Mexican that I managed to peruse.

    Now, after a week, to not let anyone harsh my mellow…

  4. Diogenesdemar says:

    http://news.msn.com/us/nra-calls-open-carry-rallies-downright-weird

     

    In a related story . . . 

    . . . the temperature in Hell last night was recorded at a minus-15 degrees below zero !!!

    (Dudley and his goons just left the NRA — again!)

  5. BlueCat says:

    Surprise, surprise. Regardless of what the facts of the Bergdahl case turn out to be, Republican pols, incuding the deluded blowhard McCain who hasn't noticed that nobody gives a shit what he says anymore, have once again demonstrated their utterly cynical, politically motivated hypocrisy.  What else is new? Apparently, they keep forgetting that stuff they say on TV and such sticks around. 

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/bowe-bergdahl-release_n_5439644.html

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