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November 09, 2015 07:03 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The essence of immorality is the tendency to make an exception of myself.”

–Jane Addams

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32 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Your Librul Media – where Hugh Hewitt gets prime-time Sunday news show status and has Chuck Todd absolve him of any psychoses with an encouraging word (or two):

    (For the record, my man Chuck Todd's new BFF, Hugh Hewitt, initially condemned George Tiller's murder as something that would displease Jesus—Way out on a limb there, big guy—but, within a week or sowas back to comparing atrocities for proof of liberal media bias.) If he's referring to The Sunday Showz, he's identified the basic problem. Civility is good. Supine good manners in the face of dangerous nonsense is not. It is a disservice to the Republic.

    Instead, we get this.

    HEWITT: Marco Rubio put out a very long piece on his new defense strategy yesterday. It's very detailed. 343 ship Navy. That's what you need to do.

    TODD: And that's what he did with his tax plan too. And look, yes, it's getting scrutinized and it's getting beaten up, man some people on the left don't–

    ​"Man, some people on the left don't…"

    Don't what, Chuck? Don't hesitate to point out that, taken together, Rubio's tax plan and his defense plan add up to a raid on the national economy that will send the country spiraling into peonage or worse? That's what's supposed to happen. His economics make no more sense than Ben Carson's messianic devotion to Ben Carson does. This is something that should be pointed out before the prion disease enters the terminal stage.

    In a way, you hope Hewitt gets more platforms so that the lunacy is acknowledged by enough people to point it out. That it hasn't yet happened can destroy that hope.

  2. America's red state crisis: the Axis of Need

    When Mr. Trump says he wants to “make America great again,” his message is resonating far beyond a political slogan into an existential angst for these Americans.

    In short, a number of indicators suggest that they are simply struggling to survive and have lost faith in the American government’s ability to do anything about it.

    Of course they're all being played like a fiddle; if it were up to our junior Senator and the Buckaroos of the world, any semblance of a safety net they presently benefit from would be gone.

     It's The Great Dumphuckistan Snipe Hunt.  

    1. Understand the impulse but not sure that's fair. NPR is not, as righties claim, a lefty propaganda mouth piece and accepting ads and giving equal opportunity for a voice to all comers preserves their rep as a reliable news source for all listeners. Studies have shown that conservatives appear regularly to air their views as well as liberals. All are questioned courteously.

      I appreciate that NPR stands in contrast to cable TV networks (which also feature advertising from conservative sources) in providing a source not actively working for the promotion of a left or right point of view. Since facts do have a liberal bias I've always found their coverage to be mainly favorable to the liberal view for that very reason and they so often air those facts in in-depth stories much earlier and much more fully than any other main stream media. 

      When the main stream picks up a story favorable to my point of view, it's often a week or two after deep, thoughtful, thoroughly fact checked coverage on NPR/CPR has brought attention to it in the first place. That's good enough for me and I think refusing to give a platform to those I vehemently disagree with would damage their integrity as a truly, rather than Fox faux, fair and balanced source .

      1. I might feel differently if I did not note the increasing frequency of pro "Energy" stories and the repeated broadcasting of factually questionable natural gas ads…

        Learn more at….thinkaboutit.bullshit

            1. In that case I guess we just have different subjective perceptions. I listen whenever I'm in my car and sometimes in my kitchen at home and don't have the same impression at all. I can't offer hard data to back up my impression either so …..

              1. Well, my dear…all I can tell you is that I have been studying the lies told by these sorry fuckers for many years. If an advertisement comes from API or ANGA it is almost certainly untrue. My knowledge of their mendacity comes from a broad experience dealing with them politically and on a day to day basis in my home community.

                A perfect case in point is the series of commercials regarding the power plant in Florida where natural gas is used as fuel during the night while solar power is used during the day. The clear implication by the writers of that script is for you, dear listener, to equate the two fuel sources as being interchangable, the line being…"so natural gas allows Florida Power and Light to produce clean energy 24 hrs a day"…

                unh-huh…right….

                learn more at    .. thinkaboutit.bullshit..

                (not a real link…just an editorial opinion)

                1. The content of the reporting is what matters and I'm very happy with that quality on NPR. As for ads, both commercials and political,  You can see political ads for righties and big energy propaganda ads in the middle of any show on MSNBC.  So we disagree and each of us will do what we think is right. It's not always going to be the same thing.

        1. There is snow in Jerusalem once in a while as it's at a highish (for Israel) elevation. Not a lot but some. I think I was told when I was there back in the early 70s that it happens about once every 5 years on average. Christmas card scenes with New England style snow drifts….ummmm, no.

          1. If they were in town to pay taxes it would have been spring altogether but we all like to have our solstice, thank God the sun is coming back celebrations. 

            1. Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!

              What the heck do you have possibly learned in sabbath-school about out ConservaLord™??

              Paying taxes?  Not ConservaLord™ and his teaparty family??   They were riding donkeys to warn the good Christians of Bethlehem to grab their muskets — the Kenyans are coming, the Kenyans are coming!!  No taxation without sequester and shutdown, from my cold (snow-capped) dead hands!  Now give us back our snowflake JesusLattes™, you liberal heathens, before I stab somebody!*

               

              * As told in the biography of Ben Carson

              1. You've got me there. Anything I know about the New Testament is strictly second hand, absorbed from the main stream culture. In Hebrew school classes (we just loved having to go to Hebrew school after regular school a couple days a week) we didn't learn anything about any of it. I must bow to your superior knowledge. Did not know how ancient muskets were. Or Kenya. Or sequestration. Fascinating!

      1. Don't these people have anything at all connected with their deeply felt Christianity to worry about? A coffee chain cup design choice? It's not like it says Death to Christians or anything.

  3. Okay, but can we draft Bernie to run HHS? I don't think we can do much better. Hey! Here's an idea. People play fantasy football like it matters. Let's play Fantasy Cabinet, because it really does.

    1. Don't think motivation this far out is a better indicator than preference polls this far out but Dems do have their work cut out for them with HRC's high negatives, Bernie being …. well….Bernie and no other candidate for the Dem nomination even coming close to having a snowball's chance in hell of beating HRC for it.

      On the other hand I look at the R candidates and don't see one with a chance of winning a national contest except Kasich who will never get close to winning the nomination. We certainly do live in interesting times. The which R do you think will drop out next poll offers a much better selection of choices than a which do you think will win the nomination poll would.

  4. What do you all know about Jerry Sonnenberg and education issues? He's on a "listening tour" of NE Colorado schools. I see almost nothing about education on his website., and he has no education committee assignments, so I don't know why he's visiting schools. Ballotpedia shows ACLU likes him fairly well, but he sucks on mental health issues.  Of course, he's a Fossilonian.

    I'm trying to decide whether I should make time to meet with him.

  5. Not to be outdone by the reports of Dr. Carson's tall tales, the NY Times has a story about Rafael Theodore Cruz' stories about his Daddy fighting Fidel Castro in the '50's, and how some of these tales are not entirely grounded in reality. So the top five GOP candidates have trouble with facts (The Donald, Carson, Cruz and Fiorina) and figures (Rubio's prsonal finances). 

    1. And Rubio's Castro fleeing parents were actually fleeing Cuba under Batista three years before Castro took over. Guess if you’re a Cuban American pol you have to have a good anti-Castro family myth.

      To be fair, if you watch Antiques Roadshow you find out that plenty of family stories are highly fictionalized. Of course these are usually stories about some far removed in time great or multi-great ancestor, not someone's parents.  

      Never mind. No one’s being unfair.

  6. Damn. Kevin Swanson, the National Religious Liberties  Conference pastor in Iowa, is a raving lunatic.  Featured on Maddow tonight*, Swanson makes Chaps look reasonable.

    He thinks gays should get capital punishment "for their sins".. Huckabee, Cruz, and Jindal were in the audience applauding. I wonder if they'll get any pushback for that. Sigh. Probably not.

    If Swanson ever hears of his kids attending a gay wedding, he threatens that he will dress in sackcloth and ashes, spread cow manure all over his body, and sit in the church door.

    Now there's a unique wedding vibe.

    *Maddow video of Kevin Swanson probably won't be posted until late Monday or Tuesday.

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