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June 21, 2016 06:27 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.”

–Mark Twain

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20 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. For those of you hoping that Hillary Clinton will designate Elizabeth Warren as her VP running mate, it looks like the chances may be dimming:

    Wall Street cash or Elizabeth Warren: Hillary's choice – CNBC

    Wall Street has an unambiguous message for Hillary Clinton: Don't pick Elizabeth Warren as your vice president if you want to keep getting our money.

    That warning came through very clearly in over a dozen interviews I did over the last week with some of the largest Democratic donors on Wall Street who have helped fund Clinton's campaigns over the years as well as funneled cash to Bill Clinton's political career in the 1990s.

    "If Clinton picked Warren, her whole base on Wall Street would leave her," one top Democratic donor who has helped raise millions forClinton told me. "They would literally just say, 'We have no qualms with you moving left, we understand all the things you've had to do because of Bernie Sanders, but if you are going there with Warren, we just can't trust you, you've killed it.'"

    Clinton faces another test of whether she will kowtow to Wall St.

    1. Never thought Clinton was going to pick Warren or that Warren wanted it. But now, of course, when what wasn't ever likely to happen doesn't happen we're supposed to see it as proof that you're so right to be so opposed to her. 

      I suppose Bernie not being picked will prove something besides that a Clinton/Bernie ticket was never going to happen, most likely because they can barely tolerate each other.

      It could be a game…. HRC not picking (fill in the blank) proves that she is kowtowing to (fill in the blank).

       

       

      1. I never thought a Clinton/Warren ticket would happen either, though I did have hopes for a Sanders/Warren ticket. Clinton and Warren are too far apart on financial reform, and Clinton's allies (cough-DWS-cough) were too hostile to Warren's cause, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

        Nevertheless, I'm not one of the Bernistas who is apoplectic and in the throes of betrayal / angst/ despair over Warren's endorsement of Clinton. She's just playing the political game, just as Sanders will eventually when he gets as much as he can* from the negotiations with the DNC.

        *What Sanders Wants: 4 different versions

        What Bernie Wants (Borosage, Common Dreams)

        What does Bernie Want (Voice of America)

        What Does Bernie Sanders Want (New York Times). This article is the best and timeliest of those listed. Essentially, Sanders want policy concessions (minimum wage, Wall Street reform, college tuition) and institutional changes (sideline DWS – done, abolish superdelegates, open primaries).

        In addition to the above, Sanders outlined exactly what he wants in his June 16 speech to supporters. A new project for the Sanders campaign is recruting and training progressive  supporters to run for office in state and local races. 7,000 of us have signed up to do so.

         

        1. What she's doing is showing leadership in getting the best candidate who will be running in this presidential election elected.  That new project, recruiting and training progressive supporters to run in state and local elections going forward, would be a terrific place for your fellow Bernistas who are "apoplectic and in the throes of betrayal / angst/ despair over Warren's endorsement of Clinton" to channel all that emotional energy toward achieving their aims, a thousand times more constructive than stamping feet, throwing tantrums and dedicating the rest of the election to sharing conspiracy theories in social media and on blogs.  

  2. Hillarys' close ties to Wall Street and her apparent conviction that she can both protect her Big Banker buddies and be a champion of the people, are the primary reasons I find it difficult to warm up to the presumptive nominee. The two goals are mutually contradictory.

    1. Well, here's a WSJ article contrasting Trump's and HRC's positions relative to Wall Street. It's pretty hard to find successful Dems that haven't been pretty Wall Street friendly including the Team Obama that came into the presidency back in 2009. Whether you trust everything HRC has been saying in this run or don't, if she really means even half of it she's a far better choice for Main Street than Trump would ever be.

      http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/where-do-clinton-and-trump-stand-on-wall-street/

    2. In the immortal words of Jesse Unruh about lobbyists:

      "If you can't take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, then vote against them, walk out and look 'em in the eye, then, Kid, you don't belong in this business."

  3. BTW. Once again, not to say that making assault weapons less easily available isn't a good idea or that preventing mass shootings like what occurred in Orlando isn't a good idea. Just a reminder that this a complex American cultural problem. Here's what typical week's worth of gun violence looks like in the US where events like Orlando account for less than 2% of gun related deaths. Here's what the other 98% look like. We need to again fund research that will help up us focus on effectively mitigating more than 2% of it. 

    https://www.thetrace.org/2016/06/everyday-gun-violence-orlando-pulse-nightclub-shooting/

  4. Turning to Colorado, Ed Perlmutter has made the list. Actually, he is 4th on the list. "What list?" you ask. The list of Democrats on the House Financial Services Committee who have taken bribes campaign contributions from the Finance Sector:

    • Patrick Murphy- $1,413,950
    • Jim Himes- $618,150
    • Kyrsten Sinema- $589,388
    Ed Perlmutter- $455,157
    • Bill Foster- $401,935
    • Terri Sewell- $379,400
    • David Scott- $368,640
    • John Delaney- $351,750
    • Gregory Meeks- $338,550
    • Brad Sherman- $300,750
    • Juan Vargas- $247,549
    • Joyce Beatty- $225,050
    • John Carney- $164,450

    Do You Vote Democrat As A Default Position? BIG Mistake! – naked capitalism

  5. The word from Senator Warren herself:

    (I've been on her mailing list since I sent money to her mass senate race)

     

    Robert — 

    I haven’t been in the Senate for long, but I’ve learned: If you don’t fight, you can’t win. And I’ll be honest, when things get tough, too often our side just folds and gives up.

    But not Hillary Clinton. For 25 years, she’s been on the receiving end of attack after attack. She didn’t whimper. She didn’t whine. She’s always fought back with grace and determination – and no matter how many punches she took, each time she came out fighting stronger.

    Hillary is a fighter. Throughout this campaign, she has said she’ll hold Wall Street accountable, raise the minimum wage, protect and expand Social Security, and help students graduate from college without being buried in debt. She’ll fight for women’s rights and LGBT rights and immigrant rights and civil rights. That’s Hillary’s agenda, and it is a progressive agenda. 

    We need a candidate who fights for the right values — and who isn’t afraid to fight back against right-wing lunatics trying to undermine progress in our country. Because let’s be honest, the Republicans have nominated the looniest of the right-wing lunatics to become our country’s next Commander-in-Chief.  

    Donald Trump is a man who built his campaign on racism, sexism, and xenophobia. A man who got rich while declaring bankruptcy, skipping out on what he owed to others, and scamming people. A man who is a small, insecure, moneygrubbing bully who doesn’t care who gets hurt, so long as he makes a buck off it. A man who should never, ever be allowed to set foot in the White House.

    So here’s the deal: Hillary is smart as a whip, and she’s a tough cookie. She can take Donald Trump’s attacks and nasty name-calling. But if she’s going to win in November – if we are going to win in November – then she cannot do it alone.

    It’s going to take all of us fighting hard to make sure Donald Trump gets NOWHERE near the White House. Hillary will fight her heart out to level the playing field for working families. That’s why I’m with her — and that’s why we all need to be with her:

    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/donate/

    Thanks for being a part of this,

    Elizabeth Warren

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