I’m curious to see what the overall mood of many of you folks is today.
Obviously, happiness and excitement are fairly ubiquitous.
But, how many of you are feeling post-partisan? Is this truly a time for healing and reconciliation or do you feel more like “payback time”?
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FDR was much, much harsher on “the evil oligarchs of Wall Street,” etc. There were many other references to lazy coupon clippers, plutocrats, etc. Blunt.
I feel like everything we discussed during the election is starting to come to fruition. This country is so amazing, and I’m so grateful to have the opportunity to be alive today, and to enjoy today.
I have always, always hoped for the best for the new president of the United States of America … whether or not I voted for him.
I am more hopeful today than I have been in many, many years.
I hope.
which was one of my dad’s favorite movies.
Wish I could find a video.
I guess I have a sort of fatigue about all of the hype at this point. I am ready for Obama to start getting all the shit done that he talked about.
I think he WILL deliver, but I am tired of waiting. I have a lot more confidence in Obama than Congress as well. The Dems in congress have to get their collective shit together at this point, and stop whining every time Mitch McConnell kicks them square in the balls.
I’m not talking about trouncing the minority party either, just working with them to GET SHIT DONE NOW.
Hell, he’s been president for 5 full minutes already – why hasn’t he fixed everything yet.
Start now, not finish now David.
Enough ceremonies, enough speeches, enough balls, enough booze, enough parades. Let’s get on with it.
I’m all stocked up on hope, I am looking for change.
You find the well-organized and time honored transition of power of the greatest country in the world to be some sort of blithe amusement ? Yeah real goddamned funny.
OK, thats a joke too Pars.
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he’s been pretty vocal about the economy.
The world press has picked up on that, days ago,
and wondered out loud why he can chart out the nation’s course on the economy and disagree with Bush there,
but failed to speak out against the Israeli military action in Gaza.
Leadership is tough. Balancing the demands of campaign contributors, even tougher, it seems.
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On the other hand, he did it too much.
Sounds like you just want to complain.
are in the laundry X man.
Perhaps you’d like to have your neighborhood shelled on a regular basis?
I don’t think so.
The USA would have reacted to such aggression with overwhelming force much sooner than Israel.
We chewed this one elsewhere last week.
It’s an unwinnable argument and an unwinnable situation.
There are friends of Israel, and then there those that are not.
It’s fairly simple.
I didn’t realize that you were the thought police.
1. Will tell that friend when they are over-reacting.
2. Will tell that friend that their reaction, while understandable, is making the situation worse.
3. Will tell the couple that since they are unable to divorce, they must reconcile and that requires unacceptable compromises on the part of both parties.
4. If you realy really really hate your spouse but can’t divorce – then see item (3).
Just saying “sure, whatever” is not being a true friend.
I think his speech was pitch perfect. And it was totally post-partisian discussing what we as a country need to do and why we will accomplish it. Not a single bit of partisianship in it.
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but loaded down with a laundry list of all the things that Bush did wrong.
not an auspicious start.
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Care to point to a place in the speech where that happens? Because I didn’t hear it.
Here’s the transcript to get you started.
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The parts in BOLD were meant as repudiation of Bush.
Doesn’t simply and eloquently describe the current state of the nation and the challenges that lie ahead?
It’s a call to action to the American people. Let’s do what Americans do best and fix these things.
Remember, if you don’t know where you’re going, any road will take you there.
Interesting set of glasses you see everything through, Barron.
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no need to answer that.
Was this the proper time & place ?
It wasn’t very “Presidential.”
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Only a call to action.
Very Presidential.
this is also a message to the entire world that we aren’t going to be the assholes we’ve been the last 8 years and we are better than the way we have behaved. That needed to be said.
If Bush is repudiated in the process so be it.
I don’t think so. I think he could have saved some of it for his first SOTU, but still, not really out of line.
it’s just laying out what has happened and what we need to fix. Yes it indirectly points out that Bush has been a disaster, but that is clearly the case. But by sticking to the problems and not why we are in the mess he kept it as non-partisian as possible.
And if he didn’t speak to what we face, how on earth can we fix it?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01…
Opening sentence:
That doesn’t prove I’m right; but it does show that others saw the repudiation as personal.
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What better place than the opening speech?
Between repudiating the Bush era and repudiating Bush himself.
Obama’s first words after “Thank You” were to thank Bush for his service. His discussion of the policies of the administration and their cronies was necessary in order to provide context for the new direction he hopes to lead the country. Had their been no discussion of these distinctions, we would be asking where the change was.
I, too, was struck by that gracious gesture.
I think we will be asking where is the change a long time after his 100 days too.
He promises to increase military presence in Afghanistan. He hints at staying in Iraq. He retains Gates as his Sec. of Defense. He appoints all the Clinton cronies. I highly doubt he closes Guantanamo as promised.
Where is the change?
Delusional people think they have change.
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it’s your day to celebrate, and deny reality, or whatever. Have a good time. Pretend that Obama wasn’t being petty and vindictive.
You heard the speech. I heard it. The first part was what it was. I even quoted the petty stuff above.
Is the repudiation on-target ? No question.
Is it essential to get back to the values in the Declaration of Independence ? Absolutely.
Is Bush the worst President ever ? Too early to say, but he’s got an excellent shot at that distinction.
I’m just saying that, considering the fix the country is in, BUSH’S FAULT, I’m not denying it,
today was not the day to poke Republicans in the eye.
I mean, golly, in one breath Obama is saying we’ve got to all pull together,
and in the next he’s saying this is the fault of the 27% of you who still support the bum.
Have a nice day.
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That’s not pretend. Pettiness is gossip, and rumor-mongering, not pointing out the facts of the current state of the nation. An indictment of policy differences is not pettiness, it’s critical for politics, and particularly political rhetoric, to work.
The speech would not only have fallen flat without a discussion of what’s wrong, it would have been dishonest.
I heard Obama’s argument as a discussion of how we can’t pull together without understanding the problems of the past 8 years. An indictment of solely partisan decision-making on the part of the Republicans. Was it in and of it self partisan? Perhaps, I mean, Obama is a Democrat regardless of his post-partisan and bipartisan messaging.
That doesn’t mean it’s petty.
and proposing a new set of values (at least compared with the values evinced by the outgoing administration) to deal with the problems. It was a classical speech and would have been meaningless uplift without cataloging the problems in front of us. Adam has it exactly right.
You heard what you wanted to hear. You found what you wanted to find. You’re projecting in this post. You’d find “repudiation of Bush and the GOP” in anything he said because he dared to speak about the condition our nation is in. How do you think he could have talked about these things without it being a poke in the GOP’s eye? Or was he just supposed to be Mr. Positive and not talk about that at all?
it was mild. I’ll bet Bush couldn’t even notice.
not Barak…
and I agree with you…
George Harrison makes perfect companion music to how I feel today.
Post grad school jobless-hood doesn’t lend itself to waking up early for anything…even something as exciting as this. 6am (PT) was a painful change of pace. 🙂
But really, awesome day…how can you not feel good? I was watching with my mom and I think she summed it up better than I can. After Obama took the oath she she said, “It’s like the country collectively sighed, both in relief and anticipation.”
…but part of moving forward with the rule of law is bringing lawbreakers to justice. We don’t need to punish the legitimate decisions of policymakers (no matter how bad the decisions), but those who broke the law and violated the Constitution need to face prosecution. If not, this cycle will repeat itself.
part of moving forward
Now that we are in control we need to get even!
bringing lawbreakers to justice
By any means necessary we need to enterpret past actions as criminal actions and imprison those people for accepting power 8 years ago against my wishes.
If not, this cycle will repeat itself.
Heres to hoping that the Obama administration will behave as childish as I would if I were in his shoes.
I like how you ignored the sentence where I said we don’t need to punish legitimate decisions.
I’ll let the rest of the readership decide which of the two of us were childish in our posting.
Yours? We can let the readers join in the witch hunt go get ’em mentality. That is where most of the lefty nutcase bloggers hail from.
We will let the rest of America move on and try to improve America one person at a time.
You can just keep living in the past. But, in the end, I don’t think Obama will join the Pelosi regime in hunting down the opposition to the ends of the earth to make them pay.
After all, in 4 years it may be Obama running from the long arm of the law if that is the kind of precedent he want’s to set.
I want prosecutors to bring cases which have sufficient probable cause and evidence to support a conviction. I want fairly selected juries to consider the evidence and convict only if the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
And, yes, I want Obama’s Administration to operate subject to the same constraints and potential endgame if they engage in extra-Constitutional activities.
I noticed that when Obama won, the other side conceded and handed the reins of power to Obama – as it should be.
America is greater then those third worlds who litterally hunt down the opposition, give them kanagroo trials and then execute them.
The day America begins to, by force, make the opposition pay with prison time and concot evidence that supports a predetermined conclusion of guilty is the day we as Americans are obliged to heed these words…
Let’s hope that Obama is not as petty as you suggest he should be.
If it did not, it would not be America. You are the one speaking of kangaroo courts and predetermined conclusions, not I. I am also glad I don’t live in such a country. But I hope I live in a country where lawbreakers can be brought to justice.
” I noticed that when Obama won, the other side conceded and handed the reins of power to Obama – as it should be “
When people are being threatened for doing their jobs – the question begs what should they do?
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
That is why I don’t think it is in the best interest of America to join Pelosi and Pulviczek and others to make them pay.
I don’t believe the consent of the governed believe it is proper to pursue and prosecute those who exercised their duties in office. It really cheapens this inaguration day to be calling for retribution.
Shame on you!
when our children see “the governed” hold their elected officials accountable. Remember that word cowboy….ACCOUNTABLE!
You’re an apologist for lawbreakers and scoundrels, and you, sir, should be ashamed.
And you sir are an apologist for the Nuggets. Need I say more?
This is one of those statements that deserves a restatement–a little more clarification, perhaps, with a citation, if not two, tacked on:
If, as Nixon tried to assert and Cheney recycled, anything the President does is legal. And it can also be said that by the consent of the governed, President Obama was elected in part because another Republican Presidency would not have prosecuted any crimes from the past administration.
We have laws against torture. We have laws against warrantless wiretapping. We have laws against various abuses of office – like politically-motivated prosecutions from the US Attorneys’ offices, or politicized hiring practices and office management. We have laws against lying to Congress under oath.
If it can be proven that these things took place, then as a nation based in law we need to apply the law, or the law ceases to have meaning. This goes double if there was an attitude that the perpetrators were “above the law”.
Shame on you for trying to paint this call as unpatriotic or somehow Unconstitutional.
The Quack is Back!
I can hope that intelligence can help find new ways to deal with old problems.
I can hope that integrity will be expected and corruption will be swiftly dealt with.
I can hope that hard work will pay off and good jobs aren’t a thing of the past.
I can hope that today the world saw Democracy at it’s best and that racism is relegated to the shadows even if it is only temporarily.
I can hope that people with legitimate differences can find common bonds so that they can work together for a greater good.
Today for me was a day of hope.
in the Commons at CU Law school. The room was packed, and silent, except for occassional ovations and laughter (both before the speech). At the risk of incurring the ire of those who are offended by the high emotions surrounding this moment in history, I will tell you, I had tears in my eyes. I thought it was a brilliant speech, not just in form, but also in content. Obama hit notes that I could only have vaguely imagined possible. He captured, with eloquence and precision, what our place in the world can and should be, what it really means to be patriotic, what kind of historical perspective and shared will is within grasp and worth grasping. And he did it in a way accessible to each and every listener. I thought it was an absolute masterpiece of oratory, and am still savoring its beauty and wisdom.
You can’t be serious.
I feel bad for you Michael Dorsett
I feel bad for all the mindless drones who have lost all vestiges of objectivity.
That includes you!
Bush can’t form a complete sentence. I can see why he would appeal to you.
and call me if you can’t distinguish a difference between the two.
…the herky-jerky bad grammar snickering of GW. And that’s with someone else writing the speeches.
This was one of the great speeches of the United States, both for content and deliver. It’s there with FDR and JFK.
Hey, even this lefty recognized the oratorical skills of RR. Are you so unobjective that you can’t recognize greatness?
Apparently.
Thanks Steve for the use of that term.
What is going to be fun is that this speech will be one of many that people will remember. It will be in that list of special moments like his “Yes We Can” concession speech in New Hampshire and his Philadelphia speech on race. He has to do more than give meaningful speeches. He has to help deliver a better government for all Americans and the world. We all have to do our part in this process of renewal but he has to lead with intelligent solutions to intractable problems.
We will never reach all of our ideals. But what is special about this country is that we always strive to be true to our ideals. And we move forward, occasionally in large steps as we did today.
The entire world watched this today and they saw us elect a black man with a Muslim name president of our country. The imagery today alone has helped the U.S. regain it’s moral leadership in the world.
And every non-white kind in this country today watched this and they now know that yes, they too can grow up to be president of the United States. And that means that anything is now possible for them.
We rock!
already changed over.
I am excited that America is heading in a new direction. I just have grave concerns over FOCA. The fact my 16 yr. old can have an abortion without my knowledge, with Government funding, but can vote seems absurd. I can not believe I am saying this…I will pray for our President that he takes the same path as 43.
Are you the Doc’s twin or something?
Except for that 27% of True Believers (note belief, not fact) that think he was swell, almost every citizen thinks he’s the worst thing since hair on fire.
I’m no expert of funding of abortions, but I don’t think it is as simple as you say. Especially if you are middle class and not on Medicaid.
But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.
Oh, wait! This was all a joke, wasn’t it? (Not unlike 43, a bad joke.)
is to avoid taking parenting advice from Sarah Palin. You might consider that the real solution to the abortion debate is to work to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies. I’ve found that the most rabid anti-abortion advocates are usually the ones who want to keep their daughters ignorant about sex and pregnancies.
have always contended that abortion is a good way to keep stupid people out of the gene pool.
Welcome back Nancy!
Problem solved. Thanks 🙂
Wait until you see this.
This explains much about Nancy L. and the good doctor. Thanks for the early morning laugh, sxp!
Sybil, Ruthie, Nancy, Michael… Everyone is here except Frightwig! Guess this will be the go-to page to see what new sockpuppet names she pulls.
I thought Ari would be the first to figure it out. Anyway, you don’t have to worry about the whole list because there are several other id’s alreay created.
Everytime you are speaking with a person there is a good chance you are speaking with Sybil.
Even people you agree with – you only find out later it was just another personality.
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…
Only a desire to keep you guys from going so far to the left in your blog. You just never know where Sybil will lead the conversation. Or, if you are speaking to a Sybil or someone else entirely.
is that “blind ideology” isn’t all that is possible. Thoughtful analysis is also possible, that doesn’t cling to a one-size-fits-all label, but rather actually applies reason to evidence and draws conclusions on that basis.
Most people, reasonably enough, consider me to be on the left. However, in response to one of my first posts here, one poster wrote something like “at least now we know that not all incomprehensible academic diatribes come from the left.” In other words, he interpreted my post to be not from the left (and presumably from the right).
Despite the fact that I am adamantly in favor of almost all socially progressive positions (eg, gay marriage, pro choice, etc), I am also thoroughly convinced that social policies should always recognize and demand personal responsibility, that markets are highly robust tools with which to promote human welfare, that resources are limited and social programs must be tailored to that realization, and so on. I don’t select an ideology, and then rationalize predetermined conclusions that adhere to that ideology: Rather, I think.
So, by contributing to our ideological balance on this site by injecting globs of mindless ideological garbage, be it from the left or the right, you perform the “service” only of lowering the level of discourse.
You want to ensure that the blog is thoughtful rather than ideological? Good. Here’s how to do it: BE thoughtful rather than ideological. Pretty simple, eh?
Your fascination with your own intellect is impresive!
with a meaningful post, making a meaningful argument, on any subject at all.
Why on earth should the use of the human mind be cause for shame and embarrassment? I should refrain from making logical arguments on a political blog because it expresses too much fascination with my own intellect? Instead, we should all, like you, launch hollow insults and meaningless declarations of opinion unsupported by either evidence or reason? The latter is the more respectable course of action?
I’m fascinated by the complexity and subtlety of the world I live in, and am thrilled to be able to participate in it. Thoughtful people working hard, and in cooperation, to create and refine social institutions which serve our common interests is a both a highly useful and highly enjoyable enterprise. I’m not at all ashamed of engaging in it.
people who think they are smarter then they really are. It just amazes me when people are more enthralled with the sound of their own voices and how smart they appear.
By all means, carry on.
http://coloradopols.com/showCo…
Then consider emulating the rest that follow.
http://coloradopols.com/showCo…
who could match wits with an intellectual giant such as yourself. For now I will pledge to just read every post Steve Harvey has made in an effort to glean some nowledge (That is what the N stands for at the univeristy).
Perhaps I can gain some insight into a great mind and aspire to be the same.
Until then. My mommy is calling me up from the basement for dinner.
all this brilliance, but what can you do?
🙂
A poem came to me while working on something else. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it as much as I do:
Ah, the dulcet sounds of wisdom expressed,
Not the listener but the speaker impressed,
For the former prefered his own grunts and scowls,
As if with difficulty relieving his bowels;
So one prefers the sound of his thought,
While the other prefers his own noise come to naught.
It does no good and it annoys the mule. (and the MD stands for Muleheaded Doofus.)
I do feel sorry for MD as he clearly cannot think for himself and that means he will have little control over his own life.
Certainly you outsmarted me; I blamed some poor California resident for all your silly posts. It’s a strange sort of performance art though.
My guess is that Sybil is a super-liberal graduate student doing a thesis on online communication.
The Sybil thing is kind of clever (though more so to us who experience the “aha!” of its revelation than for him to have thought of doing it), I’ll grant him that, but there are too many “tells” of a sincere anti-intellectualism and lack of substance for him to be a liberal intellectual playing a prank of some kind. His anger is genuine, but his posts are mere lashing-outs of frustrated impotence, interspersed with occasional pretenses that it’s all meant in comraderly good will. I’ve seen this pattern before.
Having said that, I have absolutely nothing against this guy, and if he wants to engage in a real dialogue, under any name and by any title he chooses, I’d be very glad to participate, without judgment or reservation. I remember eventually feeling a kind of fondness for Gecko, who at times came across in a very similar way. If “Doc” wants to express his views, argue his positions, discuss his priorities, more power to him. If he wants to keep saying nothing as belligerantly as possible, well, he’s free to do that too, but it’s hard to understand what the point of it is. You’d think he could find better uses of his time.
At some point you might ask, “Why do I keep electrocuting rodents day in and day out?” but for purposes of a thesis, understanding the process is valuable in itself. Sybil just wants to see how we react to various provocations.
The best way to respond to something like that is surrealistically. It messes up everything.
But I still think he’s just threatened and angry, and doesn’t have the tools to do anything about it. He’s shocking the mice, alright, but because he’s intimidated by them and is trying to keep them at bay, not to exercise his intellectual curiosity. If he comes forward and proves me wrong, I’ll buy both him and you the first round.
I hope we don’t have to go through the entire list before we’re rid of her/him.
Jackrabbit lives in that other universe with Nancy and, apparently, our resident MD. The one where Libruls encourage every woman to have at least one abortion, and attempt to make them available through the school Pez dispensers – or something.
To Jack, I would suggest that if your 16 year old daughter has passed the legal hurdles that are required for her to obtain an abortion without your consent that you have more fundamental problems than abortion to worry about.
In the meantime, I would note that the Democratic Party “line” is that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to reduce the both the need and desire for abortions. And Coloradans have spoken loud and clear that the least preferred way to go forward is to pass idiotic no-exceptions bans on a sometimes necessary medical procedure.
Once a girl reaches puberty, she does NOT need parental consent to get an abortion. Her right to privacy kicks in with her first ovulation. The legal question has to do with parental notification…a different issue.
Thank you. carry on.
Just wanted to hear jackrabbit attempt to explain it.
It was cold and the order of things somewhat was off. But the people were jubilant and sharing American love and brotherhood.
I took my two nieces with us, 15 and 13, and watched their faces as Barack, ah excuse me, Mr. Obama became our President. It was great for so many reasons.
Working to elect this man was one of the greatest things I have ever done. I thank God that the universe allowed me to live in this country, at this time.
It was perfect. The speech, the weather, the millions of flags waving, our first family – perfect.
I have more to tell you, but I have to put on my ball gown for tonight’s celebration!
I know, I know! I am one happy girl!
Dance your ass off!
Seriously, I think you are the only ColoPolster going to a ball in DC tonight ! That is incredible – enjoy it and never forget this moment.
Everytime you see them it is clear that they love each other – a lot. That is always the first thing that strikes me when I see them together.
Given his point of view on the human dignity of the unborn (or lack thereof), limited business experience, and non-existant military experience, I do not really know what he is going to draw on to lead this country.
Additionally, his ignorance of these major issues leaves him vulnerable to idealogues who want to manipulate him to advance their agendas.
Well, first, I’d like to say that, for most people, abortion isn’t a “major issue” on the same level as our current military and economic situations. In fact, for most people it ranks below several other concerns, including general health care.
Second, I think it’s been done to death here that having military and/or economic experience hasn’t been a solid indicator of how a President will do at handling either of those two issues.
Finally, if you think Obama will be vulnerable to ideologues, you need to analyze his intelligence and analytical skills. In my not so humble opinion, Obama is probably the smartest man to occupy the office since at least Nixon (my memory doesn’t go back further than that), and a non-insubstantial portion of that brainpower is used in analysis. He seems extremely cognizant of political tides and influences, and has acted to pre-empt them before they became problems for him. That is, I think, a sign that Obama won’t be a ship tossed about by the political winds.
He is not ignorant on ANY issue.
FDR was never in the military, although he was Asst. Sec. of the Navy at one point. Seems that he lead us through a successful war, what?
Johnson and Nixon were military men in WWII. Disasters, eh?
And Carter and JFK didn’t exactly shine in those military moments, did they?
Be manipulated by ideologues? Oh, god, I needed the first joke of the day! (The sun is coming up over the forty degree bayou. Everyone is freaking because it is so “cold.”)
is that, after just finishing eight years of a guy in the White House who had lots of business experience, you ought to really see how irrelevant (if not DISqualifying) business experience is to the office of the President of the United States. And if you don’t view Bush as having been “manipulate[d]” by “idealogues” who wanted “to advance their agendas” then you really have not been paying attention. That would show that you’re incapable of making judgments about Obama in these areas.
Hey, how about those elections? Somethin, eh?
…it’s time to take the Obama yard signs down. Seriously.
I have three. Don’t ask me how.
if you ever happen to need it again.
I live in Boulder and city ordinance requires that we have the yard sign out 24/7.
…if you already have an “End the War in Iraq” sign?